Yes, please, tell us more about other people and their relationship to djinn...you being such an expert. Would it really be so hard to limit your magical claims to your magical self?

(July 1, 2016 at 1:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The thing is believers come to the view, there biggest honor and reward is their relationship with God. God becomes their best reward, their most valued treasure.

Atheists see believers attachment is to something they don't know is there, while believers take honor in how their souls had to strive and come towards knowledge.   How they awakened through love and desire towards their Lord.

Love makes them hold on to certainty in their vision, while those who disbelieve in God, hold on to doubts and don't rely on what they know for certain. They pay attention to doubts too much and override their knowledge, mainly, because of lack of resolve and love to serve and worship the Creator.

At the same time, the disbeliever in God dislikes the idea that believers have a honorable position higher, so is constantly attacking them. He dislikes the view believers see that disgrace lies in turning away from their Lord, the source of all greatness, praise, and that which is to be valued, because it degrades them in their view.

The believer can give in, and say, yes there is no honor in believing in God or disgrace from turning away from him and his path, but that goes against the love he understands the Creator is obligated to have.  His love forces him to see the evil in turning away from God's light and holy names and signs.

They both come out against one another.

So there is a constant battle for egos, while, the one who is certain, feels no thirst.

Not . . . necessarily. 
"Atheists see believers attachment is to something they don't know is there" - absolutely true. We are in agreement. 
And that is big major problem number one: in thousands of years, there is no proof of anything there.  So we challenge. Give us proof.

We also are extremely well aware of the human brain's capacity for self-delusion, and for creating experiences just because the person wants them badly enough (and usually fueled by some sort of community pressure).  Ever seen a voodoo trance? How about xtian Pentecostal speaking in tongues?  Both are taken by each group as definitive proof that their god has possessed them.  Is Allah the one who did the possessing?  Various meditation devices from multiple schools of thought (Buddhism, Yoga, Transcendental Meditation, even guided imagery exercises) have created "ecstasy states" that have been measured by EEG and other scanners - it's simply another measurable brain state.  No indication of telepathy or possession.

We see no evidence of any of thousands of human deities.  And until we see something other than personal testimony or a book, then of course, we challenge.

One might wonder why allah gave us such a great tool for challenging things, for attempting to correct our perceptions... and such a strong compulsion to do so.....if it wasn't useful to us in some way, if we weren't intended to do so. OFC, one might wonder if allah gave us anything at all. For example, I don't think allah gave anything to you, Mystic...I don't think that you've ever seen a god. Your comments certainly don't seem to be indicative of any such thing, regardless of whether or not there are any.

Seems to me that some -person- gave you a set of obtuse slogans to repeat. I'm pretty sure that I could have copy pasted an extension pub about strawberry breeding right here and you'd still respond by taking a giant steaming imam.

I'm clearly missing some essential sensory equipment. I'm completely unaware of any of this magic shit going on.

Who is to blame for that? Me I suppose.

(July 1, 2016 at 1:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(July 1, 2016 at 1:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: I can see a lot of stuff. Someone would have to tell me what out of that stuff is meant to be god.

The star that manifests guidance in the dark night. Like Abraham did, you are going to have to say "This is my Lord" and start your journey, till, it becomes the Sun brightening your heart.

It doesn't matter how dim the light is in the beginning, we have to trust that balanced guiding light is God, see he is the blessed sword of honor with us, and hold on to him and let him train our souls, and listen to it's wisdom and what it has to teach us.

That's just confirmation bias talking. If you believe something hard enough, you'll find evidence of it. Whether or not the evidence is there.

@Rob

Conspiratorial demons and black magic, working hard to keep you from recognizing (and loving) the rightful and divinely appointed king of the earth.  Not even kidding.

(July 1, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Would it really be so hard to limit your magical claims to your magical self?

Magical and spiritual do not mean exactly the same thing. I know you are not dumb but equating the two makes you sound really really dumb.

Care to quantify the difference?  Oh..that's right, you can't, cuz it's all made of intangible fairy droppings. If you want this nonsense to be taken seriously, then do work.

Certainly,God, the Glorified, the Sublime, has made His remembrance the light for hearts which hear with its help despite deafness, see with its help despite blindness and become submissive with its help despite unruliness.-Imam Ali.

I think that what that person is saying, is that I have demonstrable prophetic abilities. How much of the action that allahs got going do you think that can buy me? Matter of fact, two birds with one stone. Next time you see allah, tell him to hold up two fingers for every day of prayer that can be devoted to me on account of this divine blessing?