(July 13, 2016 at 11:42 am)Irrational Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 3:44 am)paulpablo Wrote: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

Some of that they're saying is backed up by sources.  I would never use info wars as a source myself but if they use other sources then it seems to be more credible but not all of the facts they provided in that link are backed up by sources, these are two of the sources I find more credible.

And this source on the site which may be credible but it's from a book rather than just tables of statistics.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GQlv...VS&f=false

Yeah, no one should ever quote infowars.com if they want to be taken seriously. As for the links you posted, I checked the second and third links and have no idea where you want me to look. Regarding the first link, it's a file that contains stats on homicides committed against and by various demographic groups. Ok, so how is this relevant exactly to the topic of this thread?

I don't want you to look anywhere. I have no idea what relevance it has to the thread. It's just you were saying info wars is unreliable I was saying I would usually agree with you because they tend to talk about chemtrails and things like that, but in this instance they seem to have provided sources for the claims they're making.

(July 13, 2016 at 12:52 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 11:42 am)Irrational Wrote: Yeah, no one should ever quote infowars.com if they want to be taken seriously. As for the links you posted, I checked the second and third links and have no idea where you want me to look. Regarding the first link, it's a file that contains stats on homicides committed against and by various demographic groups. Ok, so how is this relevant exactly to the topic of this thread?

I don't want you to look anywhere. I have no idea what relevance it has to the thread. It's just you were saying info wars is unreliable I was saying I would usually agree with you because they tend to talk about chemtrails and things like that, but in this instance they seem to have provided sources for the claims they're making.

Uh, no, if you noticed, they (infowars.com) provided their own interpretations which aren't logically deduced from the sources they referenced.

For example, this:

Quote:Black people in the United States are more likely to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites because they commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

Where in the stats provided is this causal claim shown to be true?

(July 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 12:52 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I don't want you to look anywhere. I have no idea what relevance it has to the thread. It's just you were saying info wars is unreliable I was saying I would usually agree with you because they tend to talk about chemtrails and things like that, but in this instance they seem to have provided sources for the claims they're making.

Uh, no, if you noticed, they (infowars.com) provided their own interpretations which aren't logically deduced from the sources they referenced.

For example, this:

Quote:Black people in the United States are more likely to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites because they commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

Where in the stats provided is this causal claim shown to be true?

True that part can't be proven.

(July 13, 2016 at 2:40 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: Uh, no, if you noticed, they (infowars.com) provided their own interpretations which aren't logically deduced from the sources they referenced.

For example, this:




Where in the stats provided is this causal claim shown to be true?

True that part can't be proven.

But it can potentially be demonstrated to be true with studies showing this to be the case. It's not proof that's desired here anyway, but rather adequate empirical evidence.

Problem is that infowars.com provided some hypotheses without giving them a test.

(July 13, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 2:40 pm)paulpablo Wrote: True that part can't be proven.

Problem is that infowars.com provided some hypotheses without giving them a test.

The same way I feel about Sears and Henry. Both are leftist hacks. In their so-called symbolic racism scale they look to have created it on the premise that whites are the oppressors and blacks are the oppressed. These guys are scam artists. Just curious about your opinion. Can blacks be racist?

(July 13, 2016 at 6:11 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Irrational Wrote: Problem is that infowars.com provided some hypotheses without giving them a test.

The same way I feel about Sears and Henry. Both are leftist hacks. In their so-called symbolic racism scale they  look to have created it on the premise that whites are the oppressors and blacks are the oppressed. These guys are scam artists. Just curious about your opinion. Can blacks be racist?

How you feel is no determinant of what is true. Unlike infowars.com, researchers usually test their hypotheses, and hence why we have a number of studies on modern racism.

Yeah, black people can be racist, particularly against other black people. But why ask anyway? Did you just want to feel better about yourself by being told by a leftist bastard like me that black people can be racist?

(July 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: Where in the stats provided is this causal claim shown to be true?

Which is also a totally untrue statement, so no need to even ask. According to official statistics. Blacks and Whites commit crimes at roughly the same rate (Which by the way I won't look up for the ones talking out of their asses here. They can very well do their own homework). So, go figure, if there's a little bit of an agenda, apart from Infowar being the tinfoil or tinfoils when it comes to news.

(July 13, 2016 at 6:47 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: Where in the stats provided is this causal claim shown to be true?

Which is also a totally untrue statement, so no need to even ask. According to official statistics. Blacks and Whites commit crimes at roughly the same rate (Which by the way I won't look up for the ones talking out of their asses here. They can very well do their own homework). So, go figure, if there's a little bit of an agenda, apart from Infowar being the tinfoil or tinfoils when it comes to news.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr...verviewpdf

According to these statistics black people commit more than the percentage of their population by what I would call a significant degree in every crime except driving under the influence and liquor laws, both of which they make up 13% or 12% of the arrests.

Some of the arrests are as high as 48% for murder and 54% for robbery.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/fact...rime/19439

The cities with the highest murder rates are 

1) East st Louis.  Black population 97%
2) Chester PA.    Black population  74.7%
3) St Louis MO  Black population 46.9%
4) Gary IN        Black population 84.8
5) Detroit         Black population 82%

Compared to some demographics from the cities with the lowest crime rates 

1) Irvine CA  Asian population 45%  White 50%
2) Arlington County,   63.8%white  9.9% asian   8.9%black.
3)Gilbert AZ   81% White.   15% Hispanic  3% black   4% asian.
4) Fremont CA   50% Asian   32% White   3% Black
5) Henderson NV   80% White



The argument against this as we've established firmly in this thread is that the cause of this could be down to over policing of black neighborhoods (even though people say the police are also racist for under policing black neighborhoods aswell) and racial profiling and racial stereotypes.

But then if this was so then you'd expect the places listed above as the lowest crime rate places in America to secretly be hell holes, if it's just the case that the police are secretly letting all these Asians and white people get away with murder, rape and robbery.  I don't know because I don't live in any of these 5 towns but they seem to get quite good reviews as being safe places to live.

I could understand if you were to say white people and black people commit the same amount of crime if you control for certain factors like income, education, IQ, upbringing.

I'd like to finish off the post by saying that I don't want to make any harsh, fast, un thoughtful statements based on looking at the FBI statistics and the demographics but there is some sort of pattern that could suggest black people do commit more crime.
Not saying that it isn't because of poverty or whatever though.

(July 13, 2016 at 6:46 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 6:11 pm)A Theist Wrote: The same way I feel about Sears and Henry. Both are leftist hacks. In their so-called symbolic racism scale they  look to have created it on the premise that whites are the oppressors and blacks are the oppressed. These guys are scam artists. Just curious about your opinion. Can blacks be racist?

How you feel is no determinant of what is true. Unlike infowars.com, researchers usually test their hypotheses, and hence why we have a number of studies on modern racism.

Yeah, black people can be racist, particularly against other black people. But why ask anyway? Did you just want to feel better about yourself by being told by a leftist bastard like me that black people can be racist?

Wait, what?

Quote:But why ask anyway?

Because there are morons out there who genuinely believe blacks can't be racist and he was making sure you weren't one of them. Is he not allowed to ask you fucking questions now?

(July 13, 2016 at 6:11 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(July 13, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Irrational Wrote: Problem is that infowars.com provided some hypotheses without giving them a test.

The same way I feel about Sears and Henry. Both are leftist hacks. In their so-called symbolic racism scale they  look to have created it on the premise that whites are the oppressors and blacks are the oppressed. These guys are scam artists. Just curious about your opinion. Can blacks be racist?

Blacks can hold racist views, can maybe even act on them on a small scale. Any denial of that is utterly jejune.

However there's a big difference between that, and blacks holding unobstructed exclusive political, economic and media influence to swing everything in their own favour at the expense of white people. Sound familiar? It should. We've had 500 years of that, just with the roles reversed.