(April 9, 2017 at 5:35 am)hopey Wrote: God acts in many ways to bring salvation. However many of those things you reason away. NDE's as an example, I know of occasions where God Himself has spoken to people on deaths door, giving them salvation, even letting them return with a message. However there are tons of atheists out there who reason it away with their logic. I also have seen many minor, and some larger miracles in my life, but when I tell them to people often they call me a lier. It is not that I am lying. God is willing to show Himself to us, but we must be prepared to listen. There are always two arguments the devils, and God's, our destiny rests in which one we follow, and choose.

It's funny how all of these people with NDE's that spoke to god and see miracles can't agree on who god actually is or what "he" wants. He's supposed to be the arbiter of objective truth, but the many different versions of this deity that have been dreamed up prove that interpreting him is entirely subjective. Believers love to preach to atheists about the undeniable nature of god, but they can't even agree among themselves what that nature actually is. If god is so obvious as you guys claim, why all of the disagreement?

You guys are putting the cart before the horse and should first be trying to agree on what this god is. Get back to us when you all have a single, cohesive narrative. All you have now is a jumbled mess of religions and schisms that can't agree, which is precisely what one would expect if god only existed in the minds of the believers.

Oh, and I won't call you a liar. You could be insane or just not very bright.

Nope.

My usual question to Christians, at least those who knock on my door, is, "Do you have any last requests?"

(April 10, 2017 at 4:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Nope.

My usual question to Christians, at least those who knock on my door, is, "Do you have any last requests?"

According to the last Christians at my door, Jesus died tomorrow. Go figure...

(April 10, 2017 at 4:35 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(April 10, 2017 at 4:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Nope.

My usual question to Christians, at least those who knock on my door, is, "Do you have any last requests?"

According to the last Christians at my door, Jesus died tomorrow. Go figure...

How does that work?

Unless he's already back and just can't handle Earth the way it is now!

(April 10, 2017 at 11:05 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 5:35 am)hopey Wrote: God acts in many ways to bring salvation. However many of those things you reason away. NDE's as an example, I know of occasions where God Himself has spoken to people on deaths door, giving them salvation, even letting them return with a message. However there are tons of atheists out there who reason it away with their logic. I also have seen many minor, and some larger miracles in my life, but when I tell them to people often they call me a lier. It is not that I am lying. God is willing to show Himself to us, but we must be prepared to listen. There are always two arguments the devils, and God's, our destiny rests in which one we follow, and choose.

It's funny how all of these people with NDE's that spoke to god and see miracles can't agree on who god actually is or what "he" wants. He's supposed to be the arbiter of objective truth, but the many different versions of this deity that have been dreamed up prove that interpreting him is entirely subjective. Believers love to preach to atheists about the undeniable nature of god, but they can't even agree among themselves what that nature actually is. If god is so obvious as you guys claim, why all of the disagreement?

You guys are putting the cart before the horse and should first be trying to agree on what this god is. Get back to us when you all have a single, cohesive narrative. All you have now is a jumbled mess of religions and schisms that can't agree, which is precisely what one would expect if god only existed in the minds of the believers.

Oh, and I won't call you a liar. You could be insane or just not very bright.

One of the primary reasons for discrepancies in stories is not so much the content, but the person who has the experience interoperates what they see through their own understanding. As an example I was met by a guy who almost went to hell, he floated over it, but he was drawn away from it by a light. He did not understand what he saw, knew nothing of hell, and started to research god's of light, he came to the conclusion the light must have been a hindu diety that was composed of light. The reality is that people who enter the light, Christians, meet Jesus. I have met another man who almost went to hell, he went down and felt the heat on rocks, before being drawn back to his body by an angel with a sword.

You one day will be taking the same journey and it pays to return to Jesus before you do.

"God works in mysterious ways" is the typical answer to shit they can't explain.

The priest actually said that at my Dad's funeral. It went down like a lead balloon in a family full of non-religious people who just pretend to be for little old Grandma.

(April 9, 2017 at 1:23 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 1:01 am)Minimalist Wrote: And they're all fucking nuts.

Min, most people do not sincerely strive to find the truth. Don't be one of those people.

You are intelligent enough to break down the arguments of Quran, prove God and his oneness, the need of Messengers, the issue of succession and groups of chosen families who guide by the truth and even proven the need of a consistent number of successors in the family of each founding Messenger. 

You know people are in need of guidance, and that the world will have to rally around a true flag and ship that leads to God and points to God.

Everyone here just likes your rude attitude because it makes them feel better to see you belittle others, as if, you are on a different playing field.

But at the end, what you valued and loved the most is what you worshiped the most, and you choose your dogmas and put your faith in one whatever group of people you sought water from....

Worshiping God will free you from all false idols. There is no harm. Time to accept who you truly are and mystic link you are connected to, by which you are connected to God and all things.

You're have a rude attitude.  Is it because it makes you feel better to belittle others?

---

(April 9, 2017 at 5:35 am)hopey Wrote: God acts in many ways to bring salvation. However many of those things you reason away. NDE's as an example, I know of occasions where God Himself has spoken to people on deaths door, giving them salvation, even letting them return with a message. However there are tons of atheists out there who reason it away with their logic. I also have seen many minor, and some larger miracles in my life, but when I tell them to people often they call me a lier. It is not that I am lying. God is willing to show Himself to us, but we must be prepared to listen. There are always two arguments the devils, and God's, our destiny rests in which one we follow, and choose.

Bullshit.  You know of nothing of the kind.  You, like all the others, need to stop redefining words like "know", "logic", "evidence", etc.  It doesn't help your arguments, and it makes you look dishonest and stupid.

---

(April 9, 2017 at 12:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 5:35 am)hopey Wrote: God acts in many ways to bring salvation. However many of those things you reason away. NDE's as an example, I know of occasions where God Himself has spoken to people on deaths door, giving them salvation, even letting them return with a message. However there are tons of atheists out there who reason it away with their logic. I also have seen many minor, and some larger miracles in my life, but when I tell them to people often they call me a lier. It is not that I am lying. God is willing to show Himself to us, but we must be prepared to listen. There are always two arguments the devils, and God's, our destiny rests in which one we follow, and choose.

This is it, we choose what to listen to and believe. Irrational dark whispers of destruction or healing calls by God's forces.

And there is your problem.  What you want isn't always what is true.

---

(April 9, 2017 at 12:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 2:28 am)Minimalist Wrote: Stop with your bullshit. 

I don't give a flying fuck about your primitive desert nonsense.  Grow up, son.  It's just bullshit.

If it's true, your base assertion cannot diminish it's truth or proofs or evidence.

Can't diminish what doesn't exist.

---

(April 9, 2017 at 9:56 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(April 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm)Gimple Wrote: "Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? Doesn't he care about saving as many people as possible?"

As far as I know, Christianity is shrinking. The youth are abandoning the church at an exceedingly rapid rate. So the logic goes, wouldn't Jesus save more people and prevent more people from going to hell the sooner he returned?

Have you ever brought this up with a Christian? If so, how did they respond?

Except there are more Christians in the world every day and if God's purpose is more people in Heaven, then time is the best way to accomplish that. 

There, now you know how a Christian would respond.

With a lie.  Typical.

---

(April 10, 2017 at 3:43 am)hopey Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 8:59 am)Alex K Wrote: Let me guess: God's way is listening to the voices in your head, and the devil's way is applying logic and reason. What could possibly go wrong...

It makes sense that if there is a God he will communicate with people. It is logical for us to hear, see and sense God.

It also makes sense, and actually has precedent, that people who claim to communicate with god may be delusional/psychotic.

---

(April 10, 2017 at 9:08 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm)Gimple Wrote: "Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? Doesn't he care about saving as many people as possible?"

As far as I know, Christianity is shrinking. The youth are abandoning the church at an exceedingly rapid rate. So the logic goes, wouldn't Jesus save more people and prevent more people from going to hell the sooner he returned?

Have you ever brought this up with a Christian? If so, how did they respond?

This question was asked in 2peter 3. peter answered so long as there a single soul to be save He will hold off the end of this age. So that none who don't want to perish won't but have ever lasting life.

In essence so long as there are 'Christians'/savable people in one form or another you are good.. chase them all of away, and their won't be anything stopping a righteous God reclaiming what is His.

Ahhhh, christian loopholes.  On of sooooo many.....

---

(April 11, 2017 at 4:46 am)hopey Wrote:

(April 10, 2017 at 11:05 am)Faith No More Wrote: It's funny how all of these people with NDE's that spoke to god and see miracles can't agree on who god actually is or what "he" wants.  He's supposed to be the arbiter of objective truth, but the many different versions of this deity that have been dreamed up prove that interpreting him is entirely subjective.  Believers love to preach to atheists about the undeniable nature of god, but they can't even agree among themselves what that nature actually is.  If god is so obvious as you guys claim, why all of the disagreement?

You guys are putting the cart before the horse and should first be trying to agree on what this god is.  Get back to us when you all have a single, cohesive narrative.  All you have now is a jumbled mess of religions and schisms that can't agree, which is precisely what one would expect if god only existed in the minds of the believers.

Oh, and I won't call you a liar.  You could be insane or just not very bright.

One of the primary reasons for discrepancies in stories is not so much the content, but the person who has the experience interoperates what they see through their own understanding. As an example I was met by a guy who almost went to hell, he floated over it, but he was drawn away from it by a light. He did not understand what he saw, knew nothing of hell, and started to research god's of light, he came to the conclusion the light must have been a hindu diety that was composed of light. The reality is that people who enter the light, Christians, meet Jesus. I have met another man who almost went to hell, he went down and felt the heat on rocks, before being drawn back to his body by an angel with a sword.

You one day will be taking the same journey and it pays to return to Jesus before you do.

And we've just met another gullible, self-righteous moron.  Howdy-doo!

(April 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm)Gimple Wrote: "Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? Doesn't he care about saving as many people as possible?"

As far as I know, Christianity is shrinking. The youth are abandoning the church at an exceedingly rapid rate. So the logic goes, wouldn't Jesus save more people and prevent more people from going to hell the sooner he returned?

Have you ever brought this up with a Christian? If so, how did they respond?

They would probably say that it is the christian's job to convert people before jesus comes. Well, they have about six billion people left to go including all the new born babies of the future.

My dad is sure Jesus will be back within the next five years. He's been sure that Jesus will be back in the next five years for at least forty years. It doesn't seem to bother him.

(April 11, 2017 at 5:13 am)Regina Wrote: "God works in mysterious ways" is the typical answer to shit they can't explain.

The priest actually said that at my Dad's funeral. It went down like a lead balloon in a family full of non-religious people who just pretend to be for little old Grandma.

yet... that 'typical answer' is being used not by a Christian but by an atheist.

Guess you couldn't wait to give a cop out resonse so you had to generate your own opportunity... Good job!