(April 11, 2017 at 10:24 am)Czechlervitz29 Wrote:

(April 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm)Gimple Wrote: "Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? Doesn't he care about saving as many people as possible?"

As far as I know, Christianity is shrinking. The youth are abandoning the church at an exceedingly rapid rate. So the logic goes, wouldn't Jesus save more people and prevent more people from going to hell the sooner he returned?

Have you ever brought this up with a Christian? If so, how did they respond?

They would probably say that it is the christian's job to convert people before jesus comes. Well, they have about six billion people left to go including all the new born babies of the future.

They would probably say that it is the christian's job to convert people TO JUDAISM before jesus comes. Well, they have about six billion people left to go including all the new born babies of the future.



There, fixed that for you.

(April 11, 2017 at 10:48 am)vorlon13 Wrote:

(April 11, 2017 at 10:24 am)Czechlervitz29 Wrote: They would probably say that it is the christian's job to convert people before jesus comes. Well, they have about six billion people left to go including all the new born babies of the future.

They would probably say that it is the christian's job to convert people TO JUDAISM before jesus comes. Well, they have about six billion people left to go including all the new born babies of the future.



There, fixed that for you.

No no no, everyone must find Yoda before the Death Star get's rebuilt and orbits us again.

(April 11, 2017 at 10:45 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 11, 2017 at 5:13 am)Regina Wrote: "God works in mysterious ways" is the typical answer to shit they can't explain.

The priest actually said that at my Dad's funeral. It went down like a lead balloon in a family full of non-religious people who just pretend to be for little old Grandma.

yet... that 'typical answer' is being used not by a Christian but by an atheist.

Guess you couldn't wait to give a cop out resonse so you had to generate your own opportunity... Good job! 

... what kind on deflection...?

I have never in my 23 years on this planet heard an atheist say that un-ironically.

(April 10, 2017 at 3:43 am)hopey Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 8:59 am)Alex K Wrote: Let me guess: God's way is listening to the voices in your head, and the devil's way is applying logic and reason. What could possibly go wrong...

It makes sense that if there is a God he will communicate with people. It is logical for us to hear, see and sense God.

And if you could see hear or sense god then he would detectable by other than human imagination.

You have placed god squarely in the realm of the testable there.

Lets see if it stands up to scrutiny shall we.

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(April 11, 2017 at 4:46 am)hopey Wrote: [quote pid='1539229' dateline='1491836724']

You one day will be taking the same journey and it pays to return to Jesus before you do.

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I am not, nor have I ever been a Christian.

My mother tried, I was sent to sunday school.

they started with genesis and I asked loads of awkward questions and found the whole thing stupid, apparently they asked my mum not to take me back.

(April 11, 2017 at 10:05 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 1:23 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Min, most people do not sincerely strive to find the truth. Don't be one of those people.

You are intelligent enough to break down the arguments of Quran, prove God and his oneness, the need of Messengers, the issue of succession and groups of chosen families who guide by the truth and even proven the need of a consistent number of successors in the family of each founding Messenger. 

You know people are in need of guidance, and that the world will have to rally around a true flag and ship that leads to God and points to God.

Everyone here just likes your rude attitude because it makes them feel better to see you belittle others, as if, you are on a different playing field.

But at the end, what you valued and loved the most is what you worshiped the most, and you choose your dogmas and put your faith in one whatever group of people you sought water from....

Worshiping God will free you from all false idols. There is no harm. Time to accept who you truly are and mystic link you are connected to, by which you are connected to God and all things.

You're have a rude attitude.  Is it because it makes you feel better to belittle others?

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(April 9, 2017 at 5:35 am)hopey Wrote: God acts in many ways to bring salvation. However many of those things you reason away. NDE's as an example, I know of occasions where God Himself has spoken to people on deaths door, giving them salvation, even letting them return with a message. However there are tons of atheists out there who reason it away with their logic. I also have seen many minor, and some larger miracles in my life, but when I tell them to people often they call me a lier. It is not that I am lying. God is willing to show Himself to us, but we must be prepared to listen. There are always two arguments the devils, and God's, our destiny rests in which one we follow, and choose.

Bullshit.  You know of nothing of the kind.  You, like all the others, need to stop redefining words like "know", "logic", "evidence", etc.  It doesn't help your arguments, and it makes you look dishonest and stupid.

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(April 9, 2017 at 12:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is it, we choose what to listen to and believe. Irrational dark whispers of destruction or healing calls by God's forces.

And there is your problem.  What you want isn't always what is true.

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(April 9, 2017 at 12:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If it's true, your base assertion cannot diminish it's truth or proofs or evidence.

Can't diminish what doesn't exist.

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(April 9, 2017 at 9:56 pm)SteveII Wrote: Except there are more Christians in the world every day and if God's purpose is more people in Heaven, then time is the best way to accomplish that. 

There, now you know how a Christian would respond.

With a lie.  Typical.

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(April 10, 2017 at 3:43 am)hopey Wrote: It makes sense that if there is a God he will communicate with people. It is logical for us to hear, see and sense God.

It also makes sense, and actually has precedent, that people who claim to communicate with god may be delusional/psychotic.

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(April 10, 2017 at 9:08 am)Drich Wrote: This question was asked in 2peter 3. peter answered so long as there a single soul to be save He will hold off the end of this age. So that none who don't want to perish won't but have ever lasting life.

In essence so long as there are 'Christians'/savable people in one form or another you are good.. chase them all of away, and their won't be anything stopping a righteous God reclaiming what is His.

Ahhhh, christian loopholes.  On of sooooo many.....

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(April 11, 2017 at 4:46 am)hopey Wrote: One of the primary reasons for discrepancies in stories is not so much the content, but the person who has the experience interoperates what they see through their own understanding. As an example I was met by a guy who almost went to hell, he floated over it, but he was drawn away from it by a light. He did not understand what he saw, knew nothing of hell, and started to research god's of light, he came to the conclusion the light must have been a hindu diety that was composed of light. The reality is that people who enter the light, Christians, meet Jesus. I have met another man who almost went to hell, he went down and felt the heat on rocks, before being drawn back to his body by an angel with a sword.

You one day will be taking the same journey and it pays to return to Jesus before you do.

And we've just met another gullible, self-righteous moron.  Howdy-doo!

One man 'loop hole' is another man's "It was spelled out on page to address that specific question!!!

I guess it all comes down to whether or not you've read the bible, or are you just constantly thwarted solid exegetical reading of it. (because you haven't read it and just assume you are smarter than those who wrote it

(April 11, 2017 at 4:32 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 11, 2017 at 10:05 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: You're have a rude attitude.  Is it because it makes you feel better to belittle others?

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Bullshit.  You know of nothing of the kind.  You, like all the others, need to stop redefining words like "know", "logic", "evidence", etc.  It doesn't help your arguments, and it makes you look dishonest and stupid.

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And there is your problem.  What you want isn't always what is true.

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Can't diminish what doesn't exist.

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With a lie.  Typical.

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It also makes sense, and actually has precedent, that people who claim to communicate with god may be delusional/psychotic.

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Ahhhh, christian loopholes.  On of sooooo many.....

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And we've just met another gullible, self-righteous moron.  Howdy-doo!

One man 'loop hole' is another man's "It was spelled out on page to address that specific question!!!

I guess it all comes down to whether or not you've read the bible, or are you just constantly thwarted solid exegetical reading of it. (because you haven't read it and just assume you are smarter than those who wrote it

Oh, I've read it sport.  Cover to cover.  It really comes down to being honest and distinguishing what you want it to say and what the words say.  Take away the presupposition and the emotional baggage and it shows itself for what it really is.

(April 12, 2017 at 7:28 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(April 11, 2017 at 4:32 pm)Drich Wrote: One man 'loop hole' is another man's "It was spelled out on page to address that specific question!!!

I guess it all comes down to whether or not you've read the bible, or are you just constantly thwarted solid exegetical reading of it. (because you haven't read it and just assume you are smarter than those who wrote it

Oh, I've read it sport.  Cover to cover.  It really comes down to being honest and distinguishing what you want it to say and what the words say.  Take away the presupposition and the emotional baggage and it shows itself for what it really is.

I've seen this a lot. Atheists say they have read the Bible. That does not mean they understand Christianity (Nevis is an obvious example of this). It is impossible to understand doctrine with a quick reading from cover to cover. It takes hours of study on every doctrine to understand the nuances and technical relationship with other doctrines.

Yeah, I read it cover-to-cover, twice. If only I had someone telling me what to think about it, I might have understood what I was supposed to instead of what it actually says.

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Drich Wrote:

Regina Wrote:"God works in mysterious ways" is the typical answer to shit they can't explain.

The priest actually said that at my Dad's funeral. It went down like a lead balloon in a family full of non-religious people who just pretend to be for little old Grandma.

yet... that 'typical answer' is being used not by a Christian but by an atheist.

Guess you couldn't wait to give a cop out resonse so you had to generate your own opportunity... Good job! 

So are you saying the priest in the example was an atheist or are you just calling Regina a liar?

(April 12, 2017 at 8:37 am)SteveII Wrote:

(April 12, 2017 at 7:28 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Oh, I've read it sport.  Cover to cover.  It really comes down to being honest and distinguishing what you want it to say and what the words say.  Take away the presupposition and the emotional baggage and it shows itself for what it really is.

I've seen this a lot. Atheists say they have read the Bible. That does not mean they understand Christianity (Nevis is an obvious example of this). It is impossible to understand doctrine with a quick reading from cover to cover. It takes hours of study on every doctrine to understand the nuances and technical relationship with other doctrines.

Who said it was a quick read? You know nothing about my past or how much I have studied the bible, or anything else, asshole.  But, since I don't swallow it hook, line and sinker, I must not "understand" it. But, I admit.  I can't understand what you call christianity.  Your "hours of study" is nothing more than making up explanations that sound good to you for all the crap and inconsistencies that the bible is rife with.

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
-- Asimov