(July 7, 2017 at 7:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(July 7, 2017 at 5:33 pm)KerimF Wrote: Please don't be shy. Even many Christians around the world (besides Muslims; since Islam is the Arabic version of Judaism) didn't mind creating or adopting other stories about Jesus that suit better their nature and, therefore, their priorities in life.
Naturally, you are also free to have your own stories about Jesus.

This is indeed one of the beauties of our creation. Each human being is free to choose the version of a story that makes him feel better, if not super. So despite the great differences among the human beings, they are all satisfied, if not happy, the way they are created.
Isn't it an incredible design

It's not an issue of being shy..after years of dealing with bullshitters on these boards - I have no patience left for bullshit like yours.  I don't personally have any stories about jesus...the NT has that market on lock..so go, go read the fuckin thing, -then- come back and tell us about the overarching message in relation to all the shit that you, apparently, missed.

Or maybe take it up with any of our resident forum apologists who insist that neither god nor jesus, in fact, offer unconditional love?  Have fun with all of that.

Thank you for being sincere (the greatest priceless gift that a man can give to another).

And it is not bad or wrong that you were never interested in reading even the version of Jesus story from which you gave me your example.

By the way and though you are not interested at all to know, the Will/Power behind my existence (besides the time/space realm, obviously) lets the sun rise on the evil and on the good, and the rain drops on the just and on the unjust. But those who are born of the flesh only, as all other living things are, have no choice but to follow certain rules (called Justice or alike, as Al-Sharia which is applied in some Muslim oil countries that are close allies to the Free Democratic USA) in order to serve the material world; in one way or another, even by pre-emptive wars.

Now, your turn to have fun

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(July 7, 2017 at 6:53 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(July 7, 2017 at 1:11 pm)KerimF Wrote: Do you mean that all people you had the chance to meet have enough time to check personally every story, said scientific, they didn't mind to accept and believe?

I'm only telling you what I do.
What other people do or don't do is out of my control.

I meant; we have to admit that it is always possible that those who are busy to gain their daily bread (they are forming the great majority in the world; theists and atheists) could easily be deceived (to serve a certain agenda) even in the name of science, besides politics and religion.

The first common job of all propaganda (social, sportive, financial, religious and politics) is to let the victims select certain sources (political systems/parties, organizations, institutions, research centres and even historical books) as being their trusted ones anytime they like knowing the truth behind an event or life in general.

For example, is it really that those who planned the spreading of terror against ordinary civilians in the world (not against their powerful/rich families on power) are psychopaths? They are fortunate for having all the necessary means, financially and technically, to brainwash millions of kids around the world and let them be ready, when adult if not earlier, to play the terrorists in their international endless daily series 'War on Terror'.
Sorry for going too far here. So please ignore what I said. After all, I am just an independent observer who is not privileged/recognized by any sort of high class and, therefore, is not supposed to be heard by any person who have to be faithful to his community.

Kerim

(July 9, 2017 at 3:29 am)KerimF Wrote:

(July 7, 2017 at 7:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It's not an issue of being shy..after years of dealing with bullshitters on these boards - I have no patience left for bullshit like yours.  I don't personally have any stories about jesus...the NT has that market on lock..so go, go read the fuckin thing, -then- come back and tell us about the overarching message in relation to all the shit that you, apparently, missed.

Or maybe take it up with any of our resident forum apologists who insist that neither god nor jesus, in fact, offer unconditional love?  Have fun with all of that.

Thank you for being sincere (the greatest priceless gift that a man can give to another).

And it is not bad or wrong that you were never interested in reading even the version of Jesus story from which you gave me your example.

By the way and though you are not interested at all to know, the Will/Power behind my existence (besides the time/space realm, obviously) lets the sun rise on the evil and on the good, and the rain drops on the just and on the unjust. But those who are born of the flesh only, as all other living things are, have no choice but to follow certain rules (called Justice or alike, as Al-Sharia which is applied in some Muslim oil countries that are close allies to the Free Democratic USA) in order to serve the material world; in one way or another, even by pre-emptive wars.

Now, your turn to have fun

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(July 7, 2017 at 6:53 pm)LostLocke Wrote: I'm only telling you what I do.
What other people do or don't do is out of my control.

I meant; we have to admit that it is always possible that those who are busy to gain their daily bread (they are forming the great majority in the world; theists and atheists) could easily be deceived (to serve a certain agenda) even in the name of science, besides politics and religion.

The first common job of all propaganda (social, sportive, financial, religious and politics) is to let the victims select certain sources (political systems/parties, organizations, institutions, research centres and even historical books) as being their trusted ones anytime they like knowing the truth behind an event or life in general.

For example, is it really that those who planned the spreading of terror against ordinary civilians in the world (not against their powerful/rich families on power) are psychopaths? They are fortunate for having all the necessary means, financially and technically, to brainwash millions of kids around the world and let them be ready, when adult if not earlier, to play the terrorists in their international endless daily series 'War on Terror'.
Sorry for going too far here. So please ignore what I said. After all, I am just an independent observer who is not privileged/recognized by any sort of high class and, therefore, is not supposed to be heard by any person who have to be faithful to his community.

Kerim

Wow, did you hit your head on the diving board and stay under too long?

How did you manage to say absolutely nothing in that many words? That is an amazing feat.

The very fact that you're incapable of identifying religion as propaganda is all the proof anyone needs to realize you're either dull or mentally ill (or both). And yes, those who plan to spread terror by brainwashing others into doing so are psychopaths (and sociopaths because they lack empathy with other human beings in favor of their own privileged selves.) Unfortunately it's possible for this condition to become contagious which few other such conditions can boast. Your victimhood at their hands is plain to see and your refusal to see the strings they've attached to you is proof of how good they are at it; you can only see others as the duped, not yourself, pathetic little puppet.

And I laughed my balls off when you claimed to be an independent observer. A sheep in a flock with its snout stuffed into the arse of another sheep because the pen is so overcrowded they can't move doesn't exactly have a good view of things, dipshit. Seek psychotherapy and medication and come down off your high and maybe, just maybe, you'll make sense for the first time in your life. I won't hold my breath but it sure as hell won't happen any other way.

(July 9, 2017 at 11:15 am)Astonished Wrote:

(July 9, 2017 at 3:29 am)KerimF Wrote: Thank you for being sincere (the greatest priceless gift that a man can give to another).

And it is not bad or wrong that you were never interested in reading even the version of Jesus story from which you gave me your example.

By the way and though you are not interested at all to know, the Will/Power behind my existence (besides the time/space realm, obviously) lets the sun rise on the evil and on the good, and the rain drops on the just and on the unjust. But those who are born of the flesh only, as all other living things are, have no choice but to follow certain rules (called Justice or alike, as Al-Sharia which is applied in some Muslim oil countries that are close allies to the Free Democratic USA) in order to serve the material world; in one way or another, even by pre-emptive wars.

Now, your turn to have fun

---

I meant; we have to admit that it is always possible that those who are busy to gain their daily bread (they are forming the great majority in the world; theists and atheists) could easily be deceived (to serve a certain agenda) even in the name of science, besides politics and religion.

The first common job of all propaganda (social, sportive, financial, religious and politics) is to let the victims select certain sources (political systems/parties, organizations, institutions, research centres and even historical books) as being their trusted ones anytime they like knowing the truth behind an event or life in general.

For example, is it really that those who planned the spreading of terror against ordinary civilians in the world (not against their powerful/rich families on power) are psychopaths? They are fortunate for having all the necessary means, financially and technically, to brainwash millions of kids around the world and let them be ready, when adult if not earlier, to play the terrorists in their international endless daily series 'War on Terror'.
Sorry for going too far here. So please ignore what I said. After all, I am just an independent observer who is not privileged/recognized by any sort of high class and, therefore, is not supposed to be heard by any person who have to be faithful to his community.

Kerim

Wow, did you hit your head on the diving board and stay under too long?

How did you manage to say absolutely nothing in that many words? That is an amazing feat.

The very fact that you're incapable of identifying religion as propaganda is all the proof anyone needs to realize you're either dull or mentally ill (or both). And yes, those who plan to spread terror by brainwashing others into doing so are psychopaths (and sociopaths because they lack empathy with other human beings in favor of their own privileged selves.) Unfortunately it's possible for this condition to become contagious which few other such conditions can boast. Your victimhood at their hands is plain to see and your refusal to see the strings they've attached to you is proof of how good they are at it; you can only see others as the duped, not yourself, pathetic little puppet.

And I laughed my balls off when you claimed to be an independent observer. A sheep in a flock with its snout stuffed into the arse of another sheep because the pen is so overcrowded they can't move doesn't exactly have a good view of things, dipshit. Seek psychotherapy and medication and come down off your high and maybe, just maybe, you'll make sense for the first time in your life. I won't hold my breath but it sure as hell won't happen any other way.

Where is the problem?
There are millions who also believe, based on solid evidences presented almost daily on their monitors, that today's psychopaths knew, by a miracle perhaps, how to be unreachable and unbeatable by the world's most intelligent people in all continents. Mainly since year 2010, thousands of these psychopaths travel monthly from one place to another without being noticed (even those who have diplomatic passports have no such opportunity).

A formal theist says: A 'ruling' god does exist, while some atheists say: No, god doesn't exist, only very smart psychopaths could exist in our days'.

I mean; please give me evidence  by which you became sure that the today's terrorists, known as psychopaths, can be much smarter than you and I (besides all intelligent agents who are supposed to run after them, since about 16 years).
Being a rational man, I personally can't believe that the big bosses of the today's multi-national terrorists (soon in millions) are psychopaths. Thank you.

Kerim

(July 9, 2017 at 12:30 pm)KerimF Wrote:

(July 9, 2017 at 11:15 am)Astonished Wrote: Wow, did you hit your head on the diving board and stay under too long?

How did you manage to say absolutely nothing in that many words? That is an amazing feat.

The very fact that you're incapable of identifying religion as propaganda is all the proof anyone needs to realize you're either dull or mentally ill (or both). And yes, those who plan to spread terror by brainwashing others into doing so are psychopaths (and sociopaths because they lack empathy with other human beings in favor of their own privileged selves.) Unfortunately it's possible for this condition to become contagious which few other such conditions can boast. Your victimhood at their hands is plain to see and your refusal to see the strings they've attached to you is proof of how good they are at it; you can only see others as the duped, not yourself, pathetic little puppet.

And I laughed my balls off when you claimed to be an independent observer. A sheep in a flock with its snout stuffed into the arse of another sheep because the pen is so overcrowded they can't move doesn't exactly have a good view of things, dipshit. Seek psychotherapy and medication and come down off your high and maybe, just maybe, you'll make sense for the first time in your life. I won't hold my breath but it sure as hell won't happen any other way.

Where is the problem?
There are millions who also believe, based on solid evidences presented almost daily on their monitors, that today's psychopaths knew, by a miracle perhaps, how to be unreachable and unbeatable by the world's most intelligent people in all continents. Mainly since year 2010, thousands of these psychopaths travel monthly from one place to another without being noticed (even those who have diplomatic passports have no such opportunity).

A formal theist says: A 'ruling' god does exist, while some atheists say: No, god doesn't exist, only very smart psychopaths could exist in our days'.

I mean; please give me evidence  by which you became sure that the today's terrorists, known as psychopaths, can be much smarter than you and I (besides all intelligent agents who are supposed to run after them, since about 16 years).
Being a rational man, I personally can't believe that the big bosses of the today's multi-national terrorists (soon in millions) are psychopaths. Thank you.

Kerim

*sigh*. Okay, sit down. I'm really going to have to focus to dumb this down enough to the point where you might understand it.

Yes, millions of people believe in nonsense for which never once in history has even the most marginal scrap of evidence ever been presented. A combination of ignorant superstitions getting the ball rolling on that and enforced indoctrination perpetuates it. Are we good so far? That creates a massive stable of sheep that can be manipulated at will by whomever is in a position of assumed authority.

Now, these authorities need not buy into the same bullshit that their idiot sheep do. In fact I think we can almost certainly say that the majority don't as they seem to be enjoying a bit too much power and privilege and have no shame about parading this in front of the entire planet because they know because of the size of their flocks, they're untouchable. Still with me?

These authorities that use this power to exploit the lower classes, whether merely bilking them out of their tithes or encouraging them to stir up violent conflict (thus keeping the lower classes battling one another rather than seeing their true enemies and eliminating THEM) are psychopathic and sociopathic. They are all as human as you or I but they somehow psychotically believe that they belong to this bizarre hierarchy above that of human that entitles them to this position, god-granted or not, and their complete and utter disregard for other humans is where the sociopathy comes in. Still awake? I'm almost done.

So, in conclusion, whether or not these ruling tiers of religious authority actually drank the Kool-Aid themselves, they are actively psychotically and sociopathically dangerous because they want to maintain their positions and increase their wealth in spite of it being only able to be with them during their short life, as short as any of ours (or, a bit longer, according to health statistics; turns out being rich, having no stress and access to the best medical care and diet and whatnot does wonders). They will exercise any means of reinforcing this at the expense of others without a single thought or compunction and they take for granted that the people beneath them have bought into their sales pitch hook, line and sinker and will take it upon themselves to perpetuate their own enslavement.

Since the most prominent religions' own documents make it transparently obvious that it's nothing more than the earliest mass-marketing campaign, it's impossible not to have someone using it for just that purpose. Whatever form it takes, isn't exactly relevant as long as it demands unquestioning loyalty and deference to assumed authority, and the tithe.

Am I getting through at all? Did I just waste my time on a troll?

Most of the planet believed in a flat earth. They thought they had justification for it. Were they right?

I am kind of worried you are the moon-hoaxer now?

(July 9, 2017 at 3:12 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Most of the planet believed in a flat earth. They thought they had justification for it. Were they right?

I am kind of worried you are the moon-hoaxer now?

That doesn't just make a mockery of the term 'evidence' but also of 'justification'. Is there anything religion doesn't rape?

(July 9, 2017 at 1:13 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(July 9, 2017 at 12:30 pm)KerimF Wrote: Where is the problem?
There are millions who also believe, based on solid evidences presented almost daily on their monitors, that today's psychopaths knew, by a miracle perhaps, how to be unreachable and unbeatable by the world's most intelligent people in all continents. Mainly since year 2010, thousands of these psychopaths travel monthly from one place to another without being noticed (even those who have diplomatic passports have no such opportunity).

A formal theist says: A 'ruling' god does exist, while some atheists say: No, god doesn't exist, only very smart psychopaths could exist in our days'.

I mean; please give me evidence  by which you became sure that the today's terrorists, known as psychopaths, can be much smarter than you and I (besides all intelligent agents who are supposed to run after them, since about 16 years).
Being a rational man, I personally can't believe that the big bosses of the today's multi-national terrorists (soon in millions) are psychopaths. Thank you.

Kerim

*sigh*. Okay, sit down. I'm really going to have to focus to dumb this down enough to the point where you might understand it.

Yes, millions of people believe in nonsense for which never once in history has even the most marginal scrap of evidence ever been presented. A combination of ignorant superstitions getting the ball rolling on that and enforced indoctrination perpetuates it. Are we good so far? That creates a massive stable of sheep that can be manipulated at will by whomever is in a position of assumed authority.

Now, these authorities need not buy into the same bullshit that their idiot sheep do. In fact I think we can almost certainly say that the majority don't as they seem to be enjoying a bit too much power and privilege and have no shame about parading this in front of the entire planet because they know because of the size of their flocks, they're untouchable. Still with me?

These authorities that use this power to exploit the lower classes, whether merely bilking them out of their tithes or encouraging them to stir up violent conflict (thus keeping the lower classes battling one another rather than seeing their true enemies and eliminating THEM) are psychopathic and sociopathic. They are all as human as you or I but they somehow psychotically believe that they belong to this bizarre hierarchy above that of human that entitles them to this position, god-granted or not, and their complete and utter disregard for other humans is where the sociopathy comes in. Still awake? I'm almost done.

So, in conclusion, whether or not these ruling tiers of religious authority actually drank the Kool-Aid themselves, they are actively psychotically and sociopathically dangerous because they want to maintain their positions and increase their wealth in spite of it being only able to be with them during their short life, as short as any of ours (or, a bit longer, according to health statistics; turns out being rich, having no stress and access to the best medical care and diet and whatnot does wonders). They will exercise any means of reinforcing this at the expense of others without a single thought or compunction and they take for granted that the people beneath them have bought into their sales pitch hook, line and sinker and will take it upon themselves to perpetuate their own enslavement.

Since the most prominent religions' own documents make it transparently obvious that it's nothing more than the earliest mass-marketing campaign, it's impossible not to have someone using it for just that purpose. Whatever form it takes, isn't exactly relevant as long as it demands unquestioning loyalty and deference to assumed authority, and the tithe.

Am I getting through at all? Did I just waste my time on a troll?

I have no reason not to agree with you on all what you kindly presented.
In your opinion, which countries or continents will be hit by the Islamist Terror (or alike) in the 20’s of this century?

In every great world’s game, there are winners and losers. The losers, in the today’s long ‘World Terror War’ that was launched very clearly on 9/11/2001, are obvious; they are the ordinary civilians/citizens anywhere on the planet. But perhaps we live an exception in human history and there are no big winners behind this international long war against civilians.

Anyway, I personally will not be surprised if the big winners from destroying Europe in WW2 planned (actually their present generation) for its re-destruction, now by Terror, proven being unbeatable. But they had to spread this terror first in many countries around Europe in order to isolate its European civilians from fleeing south or east, when their turn will come. Now, the terror wars that were launched since year 2011 in north-Africa then Middle East will have to go on for another 4 years as planned.

I wish I am wrong but the European civilians will not be the last victims of the diabolic series ‘War on Terror’ in which all systems in the world (playing pro or anti, left or right, capitalist or socialist... etc.) had/have to be involved in covering up the terrorist crimes against their civilians (starting from its first episode). So I wish you will have a long life to witness in the future all what I am saying here... that sounds now non-sense, if not idiotic

(July 10, 2017 at 2:47 pm)KerimF Wrote:

(July 9, 2017 at 1:13 pm)Astonished Wrote: *sigh*. Okay, sit down. I'm really going to have to focus to dumb this down enough to the point where you might understand it.

Yes, millions of people believe in nonsense for which never once in history has even the most marginal scrap of evidence ever been presented. A combination of ignorant superstitions getting the ball rolling on that and enforced indoctrination perpetuates it. Are we good so far? That creates a massive stable of sheep that can be manipulated at will by whomever is in a position of assumed authority.

Now, these authorities need not buy into the same bullshit that their idiot sheep do. In fact I think we can almost certainly say that the majority don't as they seem to be enjoying a bit too much power and privilege and have no shame about parading this in front of the entire planet because they know because of the size of their flocks, they're untouchable. Still with me?

These authorities that use this power to exploit the lower classes, whether merely bilking them out of their tithes or encouraging them to stir up violent conflict (thus keeping the lower classes battling one another rather than seeing their true enemies and eliminating THEM) are psychopathic and sociopathic. They are all as human as you or I but they somehow psychotically believe that they belong to this bizarre hierarchy above that of human that entitles them to this position, god-granted or not, and their complete and utter disregard for other humans is where the sociopathy comes in. Still awake? I'm almost done.

So, in conclusion, whether or not these ruling tiers of religious authority actually drank the Kool-Aid themselves, they are actively psychotically and sociopathically dangerous because they want to maintain their positions and increase their wealth in spite of it being only able to be with them during their short life, as short as any of ours (or, a bit longer, according to health statistics; turns out being rich, having no stress and access to the best medical care and diet and whatnot does wonders). They will exercise any means of reinforcing this at the expense of others without a single thought or compunction and they take for granted that the people beneath them have bought into their sales pitch hook, line and sinker and will take it upon themselves to perpetuate their own enslavement.

Since the most prominent religions' own documents make it transparently obvious that it's nothing more than the earliest mass-marketing campaign, it's impossible not to have someone using it for just that purpose. Whatever form it takes, isn't exactly relevant as long as it demands unquestioning loyalty and deference to assumed authority, and the tithe.

Am I getting through at all? Did I just waste my time on a troll?

I have no reason not to agree with you on all what you kindly presented.
In your opinion, which countries or continents will be hit by the Islamist Terror (or alike) in the 20’s of this century?

In every great world’s game, there are winners and losers. The losers, in the today’s long ‘World Terror War’ that was launched very clearly on 9/11/2001, are obvious; they are the ordinary civilians/citizens anywhere on the planet. But perhaps we live an exception in human history and there are no big winners behind this international long war against civilians.

Anyway, I personally will not be surprised if the big winners from destroying Europe in WW2 planned (actually their present generation) for its re-destruction, now by Terror, proven being unbeatable. But they had to spread this terror first in many countries around Europe in order to isolate its European civilians from fleeing south or east, when their turn will come. Now, the terror wars that were launched since year 2011 in north-Africa then Middle East will have to go on for another 4 years as planned.

I wish I am wrong but the European civilians will not be the last victims of the diabolic series ‘War on Terror’ in which all systems in the world (playing pro or anti, left or right, capitalist or socialist... etc.) had/have to be involved in covering up the terrorist crimes against their civilians (starting from its first episode). So I wish you will have a long life to witness in the future all what I am saying here... that sounds now non-sense, if not idiotic

I consider the follow-up to be largely irrelevant. Islam isn't the only threat to peace and civility in the world and it needs to go just as much as Christianity and any other irrational belief that encourages self-deception and all that it invites. That many majority-Musim countries are sitting on quite a bit of petrol is probably the only reason the entire thing hasn't faded into obscurity. Unfortunately while most of the believers who do present a genuine threat are victims themselves of this psychological abuse, because they have become agents of their delusion, those of us in the rational camp have no choice but to regard them as enemies in order to survive. It's like how everyone in the Matrix is unaware they've been enslaved but are so dependent upon it that they'll invite an Agent to take over their body to stamp out threats to it; you don't have any alternative but to eliminate them, there's just no saving them.

If there is a war on terror it is as ill-defined and ill-fought as the war on drugs or poverty. Even calling it what it should be, a war on religion, would be counter-intuitive because then even the pussies will feel threatened and get all up in arms. So there's no easy solution to any of this. All we can do is let rationalist voices be heard every time some dumb shit blows themselves up or lets their kid die of a perfectly treatable illness and say, "We've said it all along! This is what your religion is! Wake the fuck up!" Some people hear it, occasionally. It's all we can reasonably do. Until the numbers start getting more even there's little else we can do; politically, being an 'out' atheist is a death wish. When we're the most reviled group compared to an organization that shuffles around pedophiles to keep them from being prosecuted, you can't possibly look at the world and see anything but darkness.

(July 9, 2017 at 3:29 am)KerimF Wrote: Thank you for being sincere (the greatest priceless gift that a man can give to another).

And it is not bad or wrong that you were never interested in reading even the version of Jesus story from which you gave me your example.

I think you might want to turn that one inward..I'm over here pointing out shit you missed.  

Quote:By the way and though you are not interested at all to know, the Will/Power behind my existence (besides the time/space realm, obviously) lets the sun rise on the evil and on the good, and the rain drops on the just and on the unjust.

Funny how that works, in that gods ways are so mysterious he acts as if he doesn't exist at all.

Quote:But those who are born of the flesh only, as all other living things are, have no choice but to follow certain rules (called Justice or alike, as Al-Sharia which is applied in some Muslim oil countries that are close allies to the Free Democratic USA) in order to serve the material world; in one way or another, even by pre-emptive wars.

...............................?  Well, I mean you -could-, if you wanted to, run your car into a building full of people on purpose..but obviously we'd hit you over the head with a brick if you did.  Similarly, when we see the car coming, and we have a brick in our hands...some of us make a good college try at lobbing that same brick through the windscreen before the windscreen comes through the window.  

Quote:Now, your turn to have fun

It's always my turn.