Nations were punished by god for supposedly killing their children....by killing the children of those nations. How does this make sense? Pretty sure it was more about worshiping other deities, than doing anything else.

That sort of taps into one of the frightening things about religion. We all know rape, murder, torture to be wrong. But since God is totally and obviously made up, whoever wants to can just say that God wants them to behave in an immoral way.

That's been done forever.

Yeah, whatever your beliefs are, there's a verse somewhere that can support it. That's how you get grandmas giving to charity and white nationalists killing people, and claiming they're both christian.

(January 26, 2018 at 11:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I imagine a world where rape and murder were morally good would be a very very different world. Everything about human nature and how this world works points to those things being morally wrong.

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Basically it makes no sense for God to declare rape/murder morally good, considering the world He has set up and the way He created us. They are contrary to natural law.

Rape is very clearly NOT contrary to "natural law."  Men are pretty rape-y, and that's obviously due to the evolutionary advantages of impregnating people whether they want to be impregnated or not.

(January 27, 2018 at 8:14 pm)Banned Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 7:46 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: 100% this.  Only you won't be forgiven as you're following a false idol.

Also, FSM doesn't forgive child rapists.

RAmen

Unfortunately, and against my feelings and opinion, he will forgive such crimes if they thoroughly repent.
Manasseh committed the worst atrocities, not unlike you've probably known about, and he repented and will enter heaven after the general resurrection.

I don't agree with such a deal, not at all, neither do I agree with loving your enemies etc.  

God doesn't blame me for that hatred, but it will have to be remedied by a superior understanding and compassion. At this point in time, I cannot see that ever happening, but it will.

There was a case where a creepy king of Israel did similar crimes, and God allowed him to be captured, where the enemy dragged him behind horses through thorn bush country. He had a really painful time in jail, he had festering sores for years after.
And he repented and was very sorry for what he had done to others. That sounds more like the justice we expect.

But God looks at vile sinners as misguided, hapless twats, which could be really loving and beautiful sons and daughters, if they were turned around.
I don't always have that point of view.

I am like you.
In fact, I have been disgusted in God on many occasions, but my decision making didn't end there, because life goes on.

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(January 27, 2018 at 8:10 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I find it amazing that NT Christians always leave the Book of Revelation out of discussion when defending how right and proper jesus/god treats his creations. Apparently the book was dictated directly. 

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/cr_list.html

@Banned: Can you tell me what all of the "false religions" are?

You've just identified one above, they pick and choose what they want from the Bible.
The simplest formula to identify all false religions is given in the same book that they neglect - Revelation 12:12? "Here are they which keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus" (Note: not faith IN Jesus, but OF Jesus)

Most people know the ten laws of God. That's easy.  Thou shalt not steal etc, and Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Nearly all, so called Christian, religions keep Sunday and not the Sabbath.
That eliminates 95 + %,
then the faith of Jesus, requires the same faith that he had in his Father, while he was a human being on earth. Recognizing that he was God, and could return at any time, but chose to remain with the plan.

Most religions reject the fact that Jesus was God and became fully human like us, they have different versions of that. And of course pagan religions eliminate the divinity of Jesus altogether.

Maybe your god.   I have never been disgusted with mine.

(January 26, 2018 at 11:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I imagine a world where rape and murder were morally good would be a very very different world. Everything about human nature and how this world works points to those things being morally wrong.

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Basically it makes no sense for God to declare rape/murder morally good, considering the world He has set up and the way He created us. They are contrary to natural law.

"Natural law" doesn't include any gods.

(January 27, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 10:32 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: So...ordering babies murdered in retaliation is okay then?  You’re right.  Our depraved, barbaric society really should be turning to the Bible for moral salvation.  😏

So keeping the babies and killing their evil parents, leaving the children to grow up and face the nation which killed their parents, will ensure that they will grow up balanced, and somehow the laws of inheritance, which would cause those adopted to follow in the same Satanic path as their parents, will vanish?

You are one sick individual, you know that?  You either believe these people were real people, but can’t think of them as people because it threatens your  precious Yahweh, therefore allowing you to rationalize killing babies, or deep down you know the stories are fiction, and you’re lying.  Let me ask you, Banned:  are you pro-choice or pro-life?  I’ll advise you to consider what you wrote above before answering.

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(January 27, 2018 at 6:54 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 11:09 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I think I’d prefer a Christian simply dismissing the OT together, rather these disgusting rape and infanticide apologetics.

Ignoring the OT is a bit dishonest, though. Yeah, I prefer the nicer christians too, but you can't say that Jesus and Yahweh are the exact same person, and then say the OT should be ignored.

Oh, it’s absolutely dishonest and irrational.  I just happen to be able to stomach it over people making excuses for murdering babies.

(January 27, 2018 at 8:14 pm)Banned Wrote:

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(January 27, 2018 at 8:10 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I find it amazing that NT Christians always leave the Book of Revelation out of discussion when defending how right and proper jesus/god treats his creations. Apparently the book was dictated directly. 

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/cr_list.html

@Banned: Can you tell me what all of the "false religions" are?

You've just identified one above, they pick and choose what they want from the Bible.
The simplest formula to identify all false religions is given in the same book that they neglect - Revelation 12:12? "Here are they which keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus" (Note: not faith IN Jesus, but OF Jesus)

Most people know the ten laws of God. That's easy.  Thou shalt not steal etc, and Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Nearly all, so called Christian, religions keep Sunday and not the Sabbath.
That eliminates 95 + %,
then the faith of Jesus, requires the same faith that he had in his Father, while he was a human being on earth. Recognizing that he was God, and could return at any time, but chose to remain with the plan.

Most religions reject the fact that Jesus was God and became fully human like us, they have different versions of that. And of course pagan religions eliminate the divinity of Jesus altogether.

bold mine

That's a website you nimrod, not a false religion.

BTW Mr. biblical scholar, that's Revelation 14:12,: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/14.html

According to what you say most of the Christians here are false Christians. Am I reading that correctly?

It takes a special kind of intellectual and moral dishonesty to try and justify killing babies, whoever they are.

Societal reform, so that children don't grow up like their parents, is beyond the wisdom of Yahweh. Just killing the lot of them is easier.