(February 17, 2018 at 9:26 am)mh.brewer Wrote: OMG, listen to the programming. David Koresh would have just loved you.

(February 17, 2018 at 6:14 pm)Banned Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 9:26 am)mh.brewer Wrote: OMG, listen to the programming. David Koresh would have just loved you.

I don't know the insides of that story, whether he was set up to look cultish, or if he was just as the media presented. If that is the case he was certainly off the rails from Adventism, not unlike the many offshoots like the JW's.

I understand that your comment was intended to deal contempt, but I already know who holds you in bondage, while you think you are free.

(February 17, 2018 at 12:42 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: "Put on a little science show".  Funny.  No, god has to SHOW UP.  It would be very, very easy for such a being to do so and get put on every TV news show on the planet.  The "creeps" are the people who have "faith" that they are right and special because they have accepted a free gift for which there is no proof but the voices in their heads, trying to lord it over those who won't accept their delusions.

(February 17, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Banned Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 4:30 am)Cyberman Wrote:

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Etymology fail:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/good
https://www.etymonline.com/word/god

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Cyberman - I took it for granted that the word good and god had the same root word, because I come from European/Celtic stock, and that's the way my ancestors used the word.
Modern versions of the etymology seem to have changed that idea. But I can accept that while on the forum.

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(February 17, 2018 at 3:55 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

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Also, yes, I have seen the "If god were to actually appear and prove his existence, then people would be compelled to believe in him, thus eliminating free will" 'argument' several times on this very forum by other Christians.  It's always a response to the question why god would rather have his creations exhibit faith rather than having knowledge.  So, please don't act like it's some crazy idea I pulled out of my ass.  If you have a problem with it, take it up with your contemporaries.

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Well I certainly don't go along with the idea that a show would remove free will, and I can understand your rejection of it.

As to the question of God not showing up, I have never had to deal with it, because I had all the evidence right from childhood, without any help from adults, churches and the Bible. etc.
The world is God's creation.

So I really don't know what kind of science show would convince people, and I doubt that it would cause a deep love for God.
Beauty and healing doesn't change sinners, they hate God anyway, because they love sin.

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(February 17, 2018 at 2:51 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

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Oh, so because the fable says god-boy was assassinated . . . your sky-daddy is pissing his pants and hiding and won't face humans ever again?  Wow, the Romans must have been REALLY SCARY.  This creature can create the entire universe, then supposedly send himself down to sacrifice himself to himself because of some rule he made himself, and it all scared the crap out of him so much that he's never showing up to prove his existence again, ever ever ever!!!!
   No people were saved from Egyptian slavery, archaeological findings have established that.  The Exodus was a fable.  The "golden calf" was taken from the idols of nearby tribes.
"God revealing himself would achieve nothing for the majority of sinners."  You're possibly right there.  He would have A WHOLE LOT of questions to answer and a whole lot of apologies to make.  And then he might not be worthy of worship.

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"Who makes up this stuff?"  Con-men witch-doctors snake-oil-salesmen have been convincing others that they could control the rain gods for thousands of years.  It's a way to gain power over others and nothing more.

That's pretty much what the Jewish leaders said about Christ.

(February 17, 2018 at 6:09 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I personally know a couple dozen devout christians who would completely disagree with half of this nonsense. And there are hundreds of millions of Christians who think your particular version of the afterlife Jesus has planned for you is not only inaccurate but actually completely falsified. Hell, most of what you just said isn't even IN the Bible. It's wishful thinking by those who want to make sense of the nonsense.

At any rate, you wanna believe it, that's great. Have a wonderful life full of one-sided conversations and needless guilt.
The only thing I want to know is why you have to come here and keep telling us about how great it is?? Validated much??
If I loved quilting, I wouldn't go to a biker gang and tell them all how stupid they are because they don't want to be involved.

The problem with you people is that your salvation isn't just your salvation, it has to be everybody else's torment. It's tantamount to Maugham's quote, "It is not enough that I succeed, everyone else must fail."

All you christians LOVE the exclusivity of your religion, despite the fact that you can't agree on anything. In turn, that makes you appear deviant and untrustworthy
... but mostly it just makes you kind of a dick.

(February 17, 2018 at 6:23 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Yep, if the goofy traveling preacher existed, he was definitely trying to steal their mojo.  Witch-doctors always diss any other witch-doctor trampling on their turf, and if they can get their followers to kill the imposter, even better. Watch out for false prophets!!! Only I have the truth!! Listen to them and die!  Believe me and the grand poobah in the sky won't punish you! Ooga booga hallelujah amen!

(February 17, 2018 at 6:16 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: You mean Satan? If yes, Satan in Job verses is presented as servant of God.

(February 17, 2018 at 6:07 pm)Cyberman Wrote: That's fine, as long as you can accept the correction. It took me literally ten seconds to fact check, but I did have the head start of knowing it was untrue to begin with. By the way, it's not "modern versions of the etymology that changed the idea"; it's just etymology. Note that the paragraph I quoted is dated 1902.

(February 17, 2018 at 6:14 pm)Banned Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 9:26 am)mh.brewer Wrote: OMG, listen to the programming. David Koresh would have just loved you.

I don't know the insides of that story, whether he was set up to look cultish, or if he was just as the media presented. If that is the case he was certainly off the rails from Adventism, not unlike the many offshoots like the JW's.

I understand that your comment was intended to deal contempt, but I already know who holds you in bondage, while you think you are free.

(February 17, 2018 at 6:35 pm)Banned Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 6:09 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

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I personally know a couple dozen devout christians who would completely disagree with half of this nonsense. And there are hundreds of millions of Christians who think your particular version of the afterlife Jesus has planned for you is not only inaccurate but actually completely falsified. Hell, most of what you just said isn't even IN the Bible. It's wishful thinking by those who want to make sense of the nonsense.

At any rate, you wanna believe it, that's great. Have a wonderful life full of one-sided conversations and needless guilt.
The only thing I want to know is why you have to come here and keep telling us about how great it is??  Validated much??
If I loved quilting, I wouldn't go to a biker gang and tell them all how stupid they are because they don't want to be involved.

The problem with you people is that your salvation isn't just your salvation, it has to be everybody else's torment. It's tantamount to Maugham's quote, "It is not enough that I succeed, everyone else must fail."

All you christians LOVE the exclusivity of your religion, despite the fact that you can't agree on anything. In turn, that makes you appear deviant and untrustworthy
... but mostly it just makes you kind of a dick.

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Well said.
I am not in favor of exclusivity, and or hierarchy, although it is probably inevitable on some level.
It is a social trait regardless of whether it involves a religion or a cast.
As for the many versions and opinions of the Bible - that's a given isn't it?

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(February 17, 2018 at 6:23 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

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Yep, if the goofy traveling preacher existed, he was definitely trying to steal their mojo.  Witch-doctors always diss any other witch-doctor trampling on their turf, and if they can get their followers to kill the imposter, even better. Watch out for false prophets!!! Only I have the truth!! Listen to them and die!  Believe me and the grand poobah in the sky won't punish you! Ooga booga hallelujah amen!

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You've summed it up.

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(February 17, 2018 at 6:16 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

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You mean Satan? If yes, Satan in Job verses is presented as servant of God.

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That's a high order Masonic teaching.

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(February 17, 2018 at 6:07 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

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That's fine, as long as you can accept the correction. It took me literally ten seconds to fact check, but I did have the head start of knowing it was untrue to begin with. By the way, it's not "modern versions of the etymology that changed the idea"; it's just etymology. Note that the paragraph I quoted is dated 1902.

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Yep, I noted the date thanks.

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Quote:So if God put on a show - how would anyone be able to tell if it is actually God and not another power, like Satan who was the most powerful angel, and still has sufficient capacity to put on a show (which he will be allowed to do pretty soon)?

Quote:o if God put on a show - how would anyone be able to tell if it is actually God and not another power, like Satan who was the most powerful angel, and still has sufficient capacity to put on a show (which he will be allowed to do pretty soon)?