(April 22, 2018 at 6:37 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 6:25 pm)henryp Wrote: I'm a 'trumptard' who 'lacks intelligence',  and it's pretty obvious to me Khemikal's full of shit.  CL thinks God is real, and she has no trouble spotting it.  Do you think me and CL are just excellent critical thinkers, and that's why we can spot it when the majority of these above average thinkers can't?

I am extremely confused if you genunely think Trump is a good president, yes. A baked potato would be a better president.

No I don't think you and CL are excellent critical thinkers. I don't think it takes a genius to spot Khem's shit... I think that a lot of atheists just get over excited when he strawmans the theists as hard as he strawmans me. And many people probably haven't been on the wrong side of him yet. I went years of liking him obliviously until we actually had a disagreement and I quickly realized what it's like actually trying to have a discussion with him.

I guess, from the sidelines he doesn't look so bad. When you actually see how constantly he strawmans you, it's easy to spot.

Also, theism is so silly that a strawman of theism isn't much sillier than theism... so it's hard for him to make theists look any sillier even if they are constantly having to take his foot out of their mouth lol.

If you can be oblivious for years, what does that say about your ability to look at things objectively? That's a blind spot probably worth some self-reflection.  

How important do you think critical thinking skills are to Poker?

(April 22, 2018 at 6:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 6:30 pm)chimp3 Wrote: The Bible states that if a man rapes a woman he should marry her to make things right.

Yes. At the time this was written (which was several thousands of years ago) marrying the person you raped was a step towards a moral awakening and moral responsibility. Because back then, women who were raped were considered impure and were pretty much either left for the wolves or killed.

The Old Testament needs to be taken in the context of what it meant for the people of the time. It represents a moral awakening. This does not mean rape is or ever was objectively good.

That is a twisted revisionist excuse for a historical moral travesty.  It belittles you to try and aplogise for the moral failures of the past.

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(April 22, 2018 at 6:56 pm)henryp Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 6:37 pm)Hammy Wrote: I am extremely confused if you genunely think Trump is a good president, yes. A baked potato would be a better president.

No I don't think you and CL are excellent critical thinkers. I don't think it takes a genius to spot Khem's shit... I think that a lot of atheists just get over excited when he strawmans the theists as hard as he strawmans me. And many people probably haven't been on the wrong side of him yet. I went years of liking him obliviously until we actually had a disagreement and I quickly realized what it's like actually trying to have a discussion with him.

I guess, from the sidelines he doesn't look so bad. When you actually see how constantly he strawmans you, it's easy to spot.

Also, theism is so silly that a strawman of theism isn't much sillier than theism... so it's hard for him to make theists look any sillier even if they are constantly having to take his foot out of their mouth lol.

If you can be oblivious for years, what does that say about your ability to look at things objectively? That's a blind spot probably worth some self-reflection.  

How important do you think critical thinking skills are to Poker?

Listen up! If you want to debate the debating skills of certain forum members, start your own fucking thread! I don't give a shit! Now, back to the OP!

(April 22, 2018 at 6:56 pm)henryp Wrote: If you can be oblivious for years, what does that say about your ability to look at things objectively? That's a blind spot probably worth some self-reflection. 

Actually I did pretty well considering I was doped up with lithium and anti-psychotics that I didn't need. And to be honest that's probably more of an empathy issue than anything. I can't see other people's point of view so when they get frustrated with Khem I don't notice it. But then when I deal with him I do notice it. Probably more of a lack of empathy than anything.

Quote:How important do you think critical thinking skills are to Poker?

Hmm... not very I think. It's more about memorizing hand strength, and adapting.

I guess it becomes more important once you get to a higher level. Because all the more obvious decisions become more nuanced... and borderline situations become more and more important to get right, because you're not playing against idiots anymore.

But I think intuition is also a big part of the higher level. And I don't think I have enough of that--intution-- or enough people-reading skills to reach a higher level.

To beat the majority of people who play poker, who are idiots, all you really need to do is play a very ABC game. Play strong hands, and you get called far too often. And people make crazy bluffs and you just wait until you have a good hand and take all their money. It's not rocket science. The difference is, a lot of people can do that but when they start getting bad beats they start going on tilt. I don't have that problem. I'm very good at playing like a machine lol.

(April 22, 2018 at 7:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 6:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes. At the time this was written (which was several thousands of years ago) marrying the person you raped was a step towards a moral awakening and moral responsibility. Because back then, women who were raped were considered impure and were pretty much either left for the wolves or killed.

The Old Testament needs to be taken in the context of what it meant for the people of the time. It represents a moral awakening. This does not mean rape is or ever was objectively good.

That is a twisted revisionist excuse for a historical moral travesty.  It belittles you to try and aplogise for the moral failures of the past.

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(April 22, 2018 at 6:56 pm)henryp Wrote: If you can be oblivious for years, what does that say about your ability to look at things objectively? That's a blind spot probably worth some self-reflection.  

How important do you think critical thinking skills are to Poker?

Listen up! If you want to debate the debating skills of certain forum members, start your own fucking thread! I don't give a shit! Now, back to the OP!

I can't remember. Was the OP old testament passages on rape?

(April 22, 2018 at 7:06 pm)henryp Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 7:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote: That is a twisted revisionist excuse for a historical moral travesty.  It belittles you to try and aplogise for the moral failures of the past.

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Listen up! If you want to debate the debating skills of certain forum members, start your own fucking thread! I don't give a shit! Now, back to the OP!

I can't remember. Was the OP old testament passages on rape?

Deuteronomy 22: 28-29! The word "seize" is open to interpretation and therefore is subjective. Still does not address the OP!

Hitchens wager, hypothetical or potential or actual moral acts or statements which cannot be made or done by an atheist.  

We've had two candidates, they both turned out to be in error (even as tangential relationships to morality or the wager in question). Do we have any more?

(April 22, 2018 at 7:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Hitchens wager, hypothetical or potential or actual moral acts or statements which cannot be made or done by an atheist.  

We've had two candidates, they both turned out to be in error (even as tangential relationships to morality or the wager in question).  Do we have any more?

All I smell is herring!

(April 22, 2018 at 7:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 6:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes. At the time this was written (which was several thousands of years ago) marrying the person you raped was a step towards a moral awakening and moral responsibility. Because back then, women who were raped were considered impure and were pretty much either left for the wolves or killed.

The Old Testament needs to be taken in the context of what it meant for the people of the time. It represents a moral awakening. This does not mean rape is or ever was objectively good.

That is a twisted revisionist excuse for a historical moral travesty.  It belittles you to try and aplogise for the moral failures of the past.

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(April 22, 2018 at 6:56 pm)henryp Wrote: If you can be oblivious for years, what does that say about your ability to look at things objectively? That's a blind spot probably worth some self-reflection.  

How important do you think critical thinking skills are to Poker?

Listen up! If you want to debate the debating skills of certain forum members, start your own fucking thread! I don't give a shit! Now, back to the OP!

Haha thanks! He did start this this time. Lol.

On the compatibility thread I teased CL about her being compatible with Khem, because I know she doesn't like him. And that lead to a digression that was a lot of fun but ended up being us ranting about Khem, lol.

But... this time THIS TIME henryp actually brought it up randomly! I didn't start this! I'm glad you noticed!

I've got one for you, Chimp.  Approach the wager from the other direction...entirely, from it's punchline.  Think of some immoral act that only a theist can do.  

Killing (or dying-or both..simultaneously) in service to their theistic beliefs?   

What if this was, instead, the only moral act that a theist can do that an atheist can't?

(April 22, 2018 at 7:17 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 7:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote: That is a twisted revisionist excuse for a historical moral travesty.  It belittles you to try and aplogise for the moral failures of the past.

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Listen up! If you want to debate the debating skills of certain forum members, start your own fucking thread! I don't give a shit! Now, back to the OP!

Haha thanks! He did start this this time. Lol.

On the compatibility thread I teased CL about her being compatible with Khem, because I know she doesn't like him. And that lead to a digression that was a lot of fun but ended up being us ranting about Khem, lol.

But... this time THIS TIME henryp actually brought it up randomly! I didn't start this! I'm glad you noticed!

I know! I don't care although I love Hammy, CL, and Khemikal! I still smell Herring all around me. I will gladly eat herring if Salmon or Sardines are not available!

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(April 22, 2018 at 7:17 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I've got one for you, Chimp.  Approach the wager from the other direction...entirely, from it's punchline.  Think of some immoral act that only a theist can do.  

Killing (or dying-or both..simultaneously) in service to their theistic beliefs?   

What if this was, instead, the only moral act that a theist can do that an atheist can't?

I don't see any reason to die or kill for atheism. I don't see how this precludes any other psycho atheist from doing so.