(June 7, 2018 at 6:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Meh, you know how it works with gods.  Up is down, black is white..etc etc etc.

Isn't that more how it works for people who think they know how god works?

(June 7, 2018 at 5:16 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(June 7, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Because I think belief in God is true

If we remove hell from the equation as well as heaven because it's just a bribe. What's left?

I don't get it from pragmatic point of view.

truth

@Kit

I guess there;s always that.  Something I;ve found interesting about gods and the people who believe in them and also believe that they now how god works his mysterious ways™....is that it often takes an atheist to step in and suggest that maybe....just maybe...the author of creation (if there were one) isn;t such a flamingly human douche.

@ The above

See..the disconnect persists. "Truth", as though it would be enough even if it really were true. Many things exist. The truth of that statement isn;t really enough to purchase peoples allegiance. That was the whole point of the hell and/or annihilation chaser. They weren;t marketing their religion to atheists, they were marketing their religion to other god believers. Simply saying "because there is a god" wouldn;t have been enough.

The prospective mark would have simply replied "Yeah, I know, and it;s name is X".

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(June 7, 2018 at 6:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 7, 2018 at 5:16 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: If we remove hell from the equation as well as heaven because it's just a bribe. What's left?

I don't get it from pragmatic point of view.

truth

 Elaborate please on what you meant by truth?

Although I understand people following religions out of fear, it makes no logical sense. I'm planning to do a video soon about this.

It's also always assumed that God will actually do what he says he will do (not that he's even said anything), with us being unable to confirm that he has done so (even once) regarding "the afterlife". Assuming he doesn't lie because he says he doesn't lie is... triangular?

I don't trust anyone who is coercing me with torture in the first place.

(June 7, 2018 at 11:52 am)purplepurpose Wrote: If we presume that instead of hell God erases rebels, can you still provide legit reason to follow Magical God?

You should find a Seventh Day Adventist to ask this question, this is what they believe and yet they worship God.

First of all God is not a magical being, He has ultimate powers that are used in ways that represent who He is, not who you think Him to be. Eternal life with God in a place that is perfect forever, being in the presence of the only life giver, loving the One who first loved us, worshiping the One who chose to save you, learning each day about the eternal God who is never ending, never had a beginning and who exists in all times at once and ect. Yep there is an endless number of reasons to follow God the best is love, he loves us enough to give His Son as a sacrifice to save our miserable hides, redeeming us into the likeness of His Son, perfect and unblemished. By the way the Adventist do not believe they can know that they are truly saved until Christ's second coming, so this annihilation theory is an insurance policy against eternal payment for eternally unforgiven sin. This in my opinion eases their fear of having to live by the law. Just saying.

GC

This whole magic thing really bothers you.  You;re going on about it in multiple threads...but I cant see why?

You believe in a magical universe magically created for a magical you that now stands as the magical backdrop for a magical test to determine whether or not you are magically reunited with your magical father in his magical kingdom.

How can you possibly imagine that you have a problem with magic?

Anyway, I;m not personally interested in any of the stuff up above. The problem isn;t really whether or not it;s true, it;s that none of it gives me a reason to be your gods magical besty. Frankly, if your fairy tale were true..it would only make me detest the god you worship. See...I have a better relationship with him as an atheist than I would have as a believer.

(June 8, 2018 at 12:46 am)robvalue Wrote: Although I understand people following religions out of fear, it makes no logical sense. I'm planning to do a video soon about this.

It's also always assumed that God will actually do what he says he will do (not that he's even said anything), with us being unable to confirm that he has done so (even once) regarding "the afterlife". Assuming he doesn't lie because he says he doesn't lie is... triangular?

I don't trust anyone who is coercing me with torture in the first place.

You're not being coerced you are being told the truth of what will be, giving you a choice to avoid the eternal punishment. Soldiers who are in battle with the enemy know if they stand up in plain sight they will be killed, so they choose to stay alive by keeping themselves protected. They are not being coerced into keeping themselves safe, they understand the truth of the situation and respond accordingly. Same with God, He has told you that in the battle of good and evil you are a soldier and if you make a wrong choice you will die, God lays out the consequences so everyone will know, He hides nothing from us.

GC

(June 8, 2018 at 12:58 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(June 7, 2018 at 11:52 am)purplepurpose Wrote: If we presume that instead of hell God erases rebels, can you still provide legit reason to follow Magical God?

You should find a Seventh Day Adventist to ask this question, this is what they believe and yet they worship God.

First of all God is not a magical being, He has ultimate powers that are used in ways that represent who He is, not who you think Him to be. Eternal life with God in a place that is perfect forever, being in the presence of the only life giver, loving the One who first loved us, worshiping the One who chose to save you, learning each day about the eternal God who is never ending, never had a beginning and who exists in all times at once and ect. Yep there is an endless number of reasons to follow God the best is love, he loves us enough to give His Son as a sacrifice to save our miserable hides, redeeming us into the likeness of His Son, perfect and unblemished. By the way the Adventist do not believe they can know that they are truly saved until Christ's second coming, so this annihilation theory is an insurance policy against eternal payment for eternally unforgiven sin. This in my opinion eases their fear of having to live by the law. Just saying.

GC

Before my birth I didn't exist eternity without God and I will carry to be doing so after my death. Death is much more welcoming compared to that Tyrant you adore so much.

That has to be one of the most disturbing things I;ve ever heard about a god...in addition to one of the most disrespectful things I;ve ever heard about soldiering.  Bravo.