I dont believe in an afterlife, and I'm cool with that, I do not fear death. I didn't exist for the first 13 billion years of the universe and I didn't know any better I'm sure I won't be bothered about the next 13 billion.

Nothing to worry about IMO.

When you said "I do not fear death," I imagined you doing it like Aragorn in Return of the King when he goes through the door in the mountain.

(September 27, 2011 at 11:55 am)5thHorseman Wrote: I dont believe in an afterlife, and I'm cool with that, I do not fear death. I didn't exist for the first 13 billion years of the universe and I didn't know any better I'm sure I won't be bothered about the next 13 billion.

Nothing to worry about IMO.

I disagree with your statement but agree with your right to your opinion.

Well that's because you mentally fancy me.

There is no reason to fear death. Because you'll know fuck all about it.

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Ok, I'm cool you disagree, but can you point to which part please.

[amused smile] maybe you should specify who fancies you.

Stucky you seem a bit self righteous. just saying. that being sayed, I kind of want there to be an afterlife but I doubt if there is one.

I am pretty fuckin' eloquent. Also, handsome and charming.

pics, or gtfo.

(September 27, 2011 at 11:29 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: I don't think he said you said that.

Mine are: wormfood. Actually, Jews didn't really believe in an afterlife either until Babylonian captivity, I think that was the crossover. Made life a little more important to us.

Cremate me, put me under a big ass motherfuckin' tree. Then people have to go see the big ass motherfuckin' tree if they have some need to see a burial site. Then maybe they'll contemplate our "importance" on earth when those big ass motherfuckin' trees manage to live hundreds of years longer than us.

Ok Queen, I'm ready for the big argument. This is what I found from a Jewish website: http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm




Olam Ha-Ba: The Afterlife

Level: Basic


• Judaism believes in an afterlife but has little dogma about it
• The Jewish afterlife is called Olam Ha-Ba (The World to Come)
• Resurrection and reincarnation are within the range of traditional Jewish belief
• Temporary (but not eternal) punishment after death is within traditional belief



Traditional Judaism firmly believes that death is not the end of human existence. However, because Judaism is primarily focused on life here and now rather than on the afterlife, Judaism does not have much dogma about the afterlife, and leaves a great deal of room for personal opinion. It is possible for an Orthodox Jew to believe that the souls of the righteous dead go to a place similar to the Christian heaven, or that they are reincarnated through many lifetimes, or that they simply wait until the coming of the messiah, when they will be resurrected. Likewise, Orthodox Jews can believe that the souls of the wicked are tormented by demons of their own creation, or that wicked souls are simply destroyed at death, ceasing to exist.

Biblical References to the Afterlife

Some scholars claim that belief in the afterlife is a teaching that developed late in Jewish history. It is true that the Torah emphasizes immediate, concrete, physical rewards and punishments rather than abstract future ones. See, for example, Lev. 26:3-9 and Deut. 11:13-15. However, there is clear evidence in the Torah of belief in existence after death. The Torah indicates in several places that the righteous will be reunited with their loved ones after death, while the wicked will be excluded from this reunion.

The Torah speaks of several noteworthy people being "gathered to their people." See, for example, Gen. 25:8 (Abraham), 25:17 (Ishmael), 35:29 (Isaac), 49:33 (Jacob), Deut. 32:50 (Moses and Aaron) II Kings 22:20 (King Josiah). This gathering is described as a separate event from the physical death of the body or the burial.

Certain sins are punished by the sinner being "cut off from his people." See, for example, Gen. 17:14 and Ex. 31:14. This punishment is referred to as kareit (kah-REHYT) (literally, "cutting off," but usually translated as "spiritual excision"), and it means that the soul loses its portion in the World to Come.

Later portions of the Tanakh speak more clearly of life after death and the World to Come. See Dan. 12:2, Neh. 9:5.

(September 27, 2011 at 12:04 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: pics, or gtfo.

My avatar, for one. I'll put up some visual delight in the pics thread for you if you like. I should warn you that it may bring on a strong case of weak knees.