Quote:You have religious claims

What claim(s) exactly?

(December 5, 2018 at 3:34 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: No sorry, cherry picking definitions doesn't work on me.  Try again.

You have religious claims, organization, protections, collect offerings that are tax exempt, and make claims beyond the scope of how said agency is defined.  I live in the United States of America.  Here you are both legally and empirically a "religion" with said protections.  To discount the Chinese is also irrelevant because their definition differs from your said definition and their primary religion is atheism.  Your opinion doesn't dictate anything beyond the scope of who you are.  If you say you are an atheist, that's your opinion.

Atheism is only recognized to have the same religious protections as religions. Beyond religious protection, it is not a religion.

Again, how can a single position on a single claim be a religion?

What religious claims do I have?

Yes, there are atheist organizations with tax exempt status, that take donations. So what? There are 1000's of organizations with tax exempt status and take donations that are not religions.

(December 5, 2018 at 5:30 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(December 5, 2018 at 3:34 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: No sorry, cherry picking definitions doesn't work on me.  Try again.

You have religious claims, organization, protections, collect offerings that are tax exempt, and make claims beyond the scope of how said agency is defined.  I live in the United States of America.  Here you are both legally and empirically a "religion" with said protections.  To discount the Chinese is also irrelevant because their definition differs from your said definition and their primary religion is atheism.  Your opinion doesn't dictate anything beyond the scope of who you are.  If you say you are an atheist, that's your opinion.

Atheism is only recognized to have the same religious protections as religions. Beyond religious protection, it is not a religion.

Again, how can a single position on a single claim be a religion?

What religious claims do I have?

Yes, there are atheist organizations with tax exempt status, that take donations. So what? There are 1000's of organizations with tax exempt status and take donations that are not religions.

Because many atheists have been adding their own dogma to it. If it was merely a single position, as you stated, it would still be just that.

(December 5, 2018 at 5:45 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 5, 2018 at 5:30 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Atheism is only recognized to have the same religious protections as religions. Beyond religious protection, it is not a religion.

Again, how can a single position on a single claim be a religion?

What religious claims do I have?

Yes, there are atheist organizations with tax exempt status, that take donations. So what? There are 1000's of organizations with tax exempt status and take donations that are not religions.

Because many atheists have been adding their own dogma to it.  If it was merely a single position, as you stated, it would still be just that.

What dogma?

And who exactly are you referring to? I want names.

(December 5, 2018 at 3:34 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: No sorry, cherry picking definitions doesn't work on me.  Try again.

You have religious claims, organization, protections, collect offerings that are tax exempt, and make claims beyond the scope of how said agency is defined.  I live in the United States of America.  Here you are both legally and empirically a "religion" with said protections.  To discount the Chinese is also irrelevant because their definition differs from your said definition and their primary religion is atheism.  Your opinion doesn't dictate anything beyond the scope of who you are.  If you say you are an atheist, that's your opinion.

I have no religious claims ... you have demonstrated NONE, I belong to no organizations, (by that idiotic definition, golfing would be a religion, as well as ANY organization where its members have anything in common), protections apply to many groups, not just religious, so fail again, I collect nothing. 

If a religionist says they are a person of faith, it's nothing but their opinion.

Here's the definition of religion. Atheism meets none of the standards of these definitions.
Do try harder again, next time.

"re·li·gion
/rəˈlijən/
noun
noun: religion
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms: faith, belief, worship, creed; More
sect, church, cult, denomination
"the freedom to practice their own religion"
•a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
•a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
"consumerism is the new religion"


If you're trying to make a case that no one actually knows what they think, and YOU know better, .... good luck with that one.

You might want to look up the definition of 'dogma'. Last I checked, atheists haven't rallied around Carrier as an authority on all things atheist. And not all atheists are metaphysical naturalists.

(December 5, 2018 at 6:40 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 5, 2018 at 6:37 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: You might want to look up the definition of 'dogma'. Last I checked, atheists haven't rallied around Carrier as an authority on all things atheist. And not all atheists are metaphysical naturalists.

You don't need all of them.  You have a diversified group of "atheists" that do follow him.  Similar to a church "denomination", but now it's with atheists.

Enjoy your hobby horse.

Meanwhile, we'll await your religion's evidence.