(March 30, 2019 at 2:15 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 30, 2019 at 1:56 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Yep, my experience is about the same. I am personally not threatened by gun control talk, because I know that no one is ever coming for my guns.

I gave away an sks last year. If the state were buying them, to get them out of circulation, I definitely would have taken the money.  Could have been $20 bucks, don't care, sold.  Twenty bucks is more than zero bucks.

It had sentimental value to me, once upon a time.  There's a pic here on the boards of me in my green checkered keffiyah holding my first son (third try is the charm!) in one hand and the rifle in the other.  Some kid tried to kill me with that gun.   I stepped over his dead body and took it for a souvenir.  

Nobody was (or was ever) going to come for that gun.  Even if they did I wouldn't have given it to them.  Banning it without some sort of compensation would have cemented it's value in my mind.  It's not like I could have gotten another one like it.

The sane in this country are not trying to become a fascist state. Regulations are not bans, anymore than speed limits are anti car.

They cannot argue "Just keep them out of the wrong hands", then turn around and scream like babies when we agree with them.

Saying we have a firearm violence problem, which we do, is like what Nader did in the 70s pointing out that what the auto industry was putting out back then were not safe.

It isn't a gun grab when we talk about prevention and safety. 

I think one of the most important things safety advocates can do is what the sane did in fighting big tobacco, go after their marketing first. The other thing we can do is address economic issues in all zip codes. Japan for example is still an open western democracy, still allows firearm ownership. But they are smart about it. First off, they do not have the pay gap between their top and bottom. Their police while some are armed, most are not. So their population does not have to worry about a militarized police force, on top of having a better sense of social responsibility on economics. The reason most Japanese don't own firearms isn't because it is illegal, more to the point most don't because they don't have the economic extremes like we do. 

Our attitude about firearms in America is why we have the firearm violence we do. We romanticize firearms as if they were not just mere objects, but as if they were living super heros that if we just use them, they can save the day like Superman. Unlike the past when we had a far better attitude that firearms are tools, not toys, not magical super heros. But again, that all changed in the 70s with people like Wayne hijacking the org.

The right wing says they're not going to follow any laws they don't like, then claim the left is subverting the American way of life. LOL

FYI - taping two magazines together is a schmuck move - only applicable to movies and idiots who learn their guncraft from movies.

All you do is expose the round to be chambered to dirt and grime and make it easy to damage the feed lips of the magazine.

No real operator would ever do it.

(March 30, 2019 at 2:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The right wing says they're not going to follow any laws they don't like, then claim the left is subverting the American way of life. LOL

Yep, see this negates their claim they value the constitution, they only value power when they win.

Voting is part of our system, and what they cannot stand is that there is no political party or skin tone oath to own a firearm. I don't see how it works to on the one hand say "everyone is allowed to own a firearm" and also say, "everyone gets to vote on our laws" then scream when they don't always get everything they want 100% of the time. What they are really saying is that they are selfish pricks.

I don't like the left/right labels when we are talking about libtards and trumptards. Neither has any respect for the rule of law or the constitution. Neither believes in free speech and both have assaulted the media.

If you say so. Apparently, I'm a "libtard" - and yet.....

(March 30, 2019 at 2:41 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I don't like the left/right labels when we are talking about libtards and trumptards. Neither has any respect for the rule of law or the constitution. Neither believes in free speech and both have assaulted the media.

You keep using the word "libtard" as if we are legally obligated to accept it as a slur, and as such since you use it, we are bad people just because we don't agree with you.

Call us what you want. But I am a liberal, and your baggage does not constitute and emergency on my part.

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(March 30, 2019 at 1:50 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: That would be the NSSF.  The NRA isn't the sales or industry lobby.  They're a political lobby, kingmakers, they thrive off notoriety.

The sales and industry lobby thrives off anonymity.

Fine, but that only means we should go after both. I think it is wrong to say the NRA has nothing to do with gun sales. They don't sell guns themselves but like you said, they still are king makers whom deal with the political issue regarding firearm laws.

This NSSF lobby is still a lobby regardless. They'd be the Mafia Don, head of the snake, so to speak, but it still would make the NRA more like made man under that Don.

So maybe the argument you should make is, "Don't just focus on the NRA, also at the same time focus on the NSSF". i still would not say it is a good idea to ignore the political lobby NRA. Both that lobby and the industry NSSF are still protecting the same industry.

(March 30, 2019 at 2:37 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: FYI - taping two magazines together is a schmuck move - only applicable to movies and idiots who learn their guncraft from movies.

All you do is expose the round to be chambered to dirt and grime and make it easy to damage the feed lips of the magazine.

No real operator would ever do it.

If you're out playing the mud the grime would be an issue, sure. You can avoid damaging the lips with a plastic cover.

(March 30, 2019 at 3:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Fine, but that only means we should go after both. I think it is wrong to say the NRA has nothing to do with gun sales. They don't sell guns themselves but like you said, they still are king makers whom deal with the political issue regarding firearm laws.

This NSSF lobby is still a lobby regardless. They'd be the Mafia Don, head of the snake, so to speak, but it still would make the NRA more like made man under that Don.

So maybe the argument you should make is, "Don't just focus on the NRA, also at the same time focus on the NSSF". i still would not say it is a good idea to ignore the political lobby NRA. Both that lobby and the industry NSSF are still protecting the same industry.

I honestly wouldn't (and don't) make that argument at all.  The NRA is it's own thing,  They aren't under the nssf, the nra would still be a thing even if guns and the nssf weren't.  Maybe even more of a thing.  

-If- you think that reducing the financial motivation will fix things, ignore the nra and focus on the nssf.  -If- you think that reducing the political motivation will fix things, carry on.

(March 30, 2019 at 3:36 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(March 30, 2019 at 2:37 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: FYI - taping two magazines together is a schmuck move - only applicable to movies and idiots who learn their guncraft from movies.

All you do is expose the round to be chambered to dirt and grime and make it easy to damage the feed lips of the magazine.

No real operator would ever do it.

If you're out playing the mud the grime would be an issue, sure. You can avoid damaging the lips with a plastic cover.

Or you can just carry it in a proper pouch and avoid all the Hollywood special effects.