I did vote for President Obama.

I did not (and will not) vote for President Trump.


So tell me - why are the Dems going through with an impeachment that has virtually zero chance of passing the GOP majority Senate?

You are a fool if you expect anything other than a party line vote.

The ONLY reason I can see for this monumentally wasted effort is that the Dem leadership is so egotistical that they actually believe they can convince GOP members of Congress to join their holy crusade.

Is President Trump a clownish, immoral huckster that is a better suited for a circus midway rather than the White House?

Absolutely.

But-

There are more productive ways to prove a point.

Agreed. It’s completely irrelevant and going absolutely nowhere. It’s like when a baseball team is mathematically eliminated but they still have to play the games.

(December 10, 2019 at 8:11 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I did vote for President Obama.

I did not (and will not) vote for President Trump.


So tell me - why are the Dems going through with an impeachment that has virtually zero chance of passing the GOP majority Senate?

You are a fool if you expect anything other than a party line vote.

The ONLY reason I can see for this monumentally wasted effort is that the Dem leadership is so egotistical that they actually believe they can convince GOP members of Congress to join their holy crusade.

Is President Trump a clownish, immoral huckster that is a better suited for a circus midway rather than the White House?

Absolutely.

But-

There are more productive ways to prove a point.

I can think of another reason.

This is a pretty calculating move on Pelosi's part to energize Democratic voters next year.  When Trump is acquitted in the Senate, he's going to take it as a sign that he can do whatever he wants, which is going to enrage people who might otherwise have stayed home.  It's also going to piss off the 12% of Republicans who want Trump removed, so they may stay at home, or vote for a longshot Republican.  In this scenario, it makes it somewhat more likely that Trump will lose next year and the Senate will flip.

It makes sense if you realize that the goal isn't, necessarily, to remove Trump from office.

Boru

(December 10, 2019 at 8:11 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I did vote for President Obama.

I did not (and will not) vote for President Trump.


So tell me - why are the Dems going through with an impeachment that has virtually zero chance of passing the GOP majority Senate?

You are a fool if you expect anything other than a party line vote.

The ONLY reason I can see for this monumentally wasted effort is that the Dem leadership is so egotistical that they actually believe they can convince GOP members of Congress to join their holy crusade.

Is President Trump a clownish, immoral huckster that is a better suited for a circus midway rather than the White House?

Absolutely.

But-

There are more productive ways to prove a point.

He committed a crime .Weather he's thrust from office or not is irrelevant. Weather it effects the 2020 election is irrelevant. It has to be done .

(December 10, 2019 at 9:06 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

(December 10, 2019 at 8:11 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I did vote for President Obama.

I did not (and will not) vote for President Trump.


So tell me - why are the Dems going through with an impeachment that has virtually zero chance of passing the GOP majority Senate?

You are a fool if you expect anything other than a party line vote.

The ONLY reason I can see for this monumentally wasted effort is that the Dem leadership is so egotistical that they actually believe they can convince GOP members of Congress to join their holy crusade.

Is President Trump a clownish, immoral huckster that is a better suited for a circus midway rather than the White House?

Absolutely.

But-

There are more productive ways to prove a point.

He committed a crime .Weather he's thrust from office or not is irrelevant. Weather it effects the 2020 election is irrelevant. It has to be done .


Uh huh.....


Keep telling yourself that.

The Dems dgaf about crime. It’s an ego thing like the thread title says.

(December 10, 2019 at 8:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 10, 2019 at 8:11 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I did vote for President Obama.

I did not (and will not) vote for President Trump.


So tell me - why are the Dems going through with an impeachment that has virtually zero chance of passing the GOP majority Senate?

You are a fool if you expect anything other than a party line vote.

The ONLY reason I can see for this monumentally wasted effort is that the Dem leadership is so egotistical that they actually believe they can convince GOP members of Congress to join their holy crusade.

Is President Trump a clownish, immoral huckster that is a better suited for a circus midway rather than the White House?

Absolutely.

But-

There are more productive ways to prove a point.

I can think of another reason.

This is a pretty calculating move on Pelosi's part to energize Democratic voters next year.  When Trump is acquitted in the Senate, he's going to take it as a sign that he can do whatever he wants, which is going to enrage people who might otherwise have stayed home.  It's also going to piss off the 12% of Republicans who want Trump removed, so they may stay at home, or vote for a longshot Republican.  In this scenario, it makes it somewhat more likely that Trump will lose next year and the Senate will flip.

It makes sense if you realize that the goal isn't, necessarily, to remove Trump from office.

Boru

There is a lot of thought that it could go exactly 180 ° of that and cost them the election.


I would bet on that outcome.

(December 10, 2019 at 9:26 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(December 10, 2019 at 8:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I can think of another reason.

This is a pretty calculating move on Pelosi's part to energize Democratic voters next year.  When Trump is acquitted in the Senate, he's going to take it as a sign that he can do whatever he wants, which is going to enrage people who might otherwise have stayed home.  It's also going to piss off the 12% of Republicans who want Trump removed, so they may stay at home, or vote for a longshot Republican.  In this scenario, it makes it somewhat more likely that Trump will lose next year and the Senate will flip.

It makes sense if you realize that the goal isn't, necessarily, to remove Trump from office.

Boru

There is a lot of thought that it could go exactly 180 ° of that and cost them the election.


I would bet on that outcome.

I wouldn't.  Trump's behaviour plays to his base, and to his base only.  The more egregious that behaviour (and once his acquitted, that behaviour will become worse),  the sterner will be the opposition.  Given recent shifts in the electorate, Trump's base won't be enough to get him reelected, and he's never shown the slightest interest in trying to expand that base.

Boru

(December 10, 2019 at 9:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 10, 2019 at 9:26 am)onlinebiker Wrote: There is a lot of thought that it could go exactly 180 ° of that and cost them the election.


I would bet on that outcome.

I wouldn't.  Trump's behaviour plays to his base, and to his base only.  The more egregious that behaviour (and once his acquitted, that behaviour will become worse),  the sterner will be the opposition.  Given recent shifts in the electorate, Trump's base won't be enough to get him reelected, and he's never shown the slightest interest in trying to expand that base.

Boru

You may be right.

But you should never underestimate the stupidity of party loyalists.

They will vote for the worst possible candidate rather than let "those other guys" in office.


Proof?


The last election.

Speaking as an ousider I don't see a need for it so close to the next elections. I read that it might energize those agaisnt trump, but the contrary is also true. It may make his base even more fierce.

How such an idiot ever stood a chance and indeed got the office is beyond me. hrugs: