Trump has been doing impeachable things for three years. There isn't really any room for debate on this, as the president has a hilarious tendency to blurt out the details of his criminal conspiracies in public, while declaring them perfect. That's the other part of how the GOP ended up with the "so what" defense.

A party loyalist might realize that the impeachment hearings would be damaging to party interests and thus not a good idea..and in fact that's already something that the dems have had to come to terms with. Not giving a shit about the democratic party, I don't give a shit about what might be politically inconvenient for them. Ultimately, they seem to have decided that that they're willing to accept that cost, or maybe they think that doing nothing in the face of blatant criminality might be more costly..but the calculus of their political decisions (whatever that is) doesn't alter the facts of the matter at hand.

The american president is unfit. That's not a smear, or a hitjob, it's not even a political statement. Just a fact. It's congress' job to do something about that, regardless of their party affiliation. Some will, some won't, so what..right?

(December 12, 2019 at 3:28 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Trump has been doing impeachable things for three years.  There isn't really any room for debate on this, as the president has a hilarious tendency to blurt out the details of his criminal conspiracies in public, while declaring them perfect.  That's the other part of how the GOP ended up with the "so what" defense.  

A party loyalist might realize that the impeachment hearings would be damaging to party interests and thus not a good idea..and in fact that's already something that the dems have had to come to terms with.  Not giving a shit about the democratic party, I don't give a shit about what might be politically inconvenient for them.  Ultimately, they seem to have decided that that they're willing to accept that cost, or maybe they think that doing nothing in the face of blatant criminality might be more costly..but the calculus of their political decisions (whatever that is) doesn't alter the facts of the matter at hand.

The american president is unfit.  That's not a smear, or a hitjob, it's not even a political statement.  Just a fact.  It's congress' job to do something about that, regardless of their party affiliation.  Some will, some won't, so what..right?

No room for debate?

seriously?

Ok..
.

And yet - on and on and on it goes....

No, there's no room for debate as to what the president did, and there is none ongoing. The president did exactly what he's being impeached for. The president says he did it. His co-conspirators say he did it. Every fact witness says he did it. All documentary evidence says he did it.

So what?

(December 12, 2019 at 4:18 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No, there's no room for debate as to what the president did, and there is none ongoing.  The president did exactly what he's being impeached for.  The president says he did it.  His co-conspirators say he did it.  Every fact witness says he did it.  All documentary evidence says he did it.  

So what?

So only the left side of the aisle believes that.


You gotta convince the right side.


Just saying it's so isn't likely to work.

It's sorta like fundies and "the bible says it's so"...

It's only truth to the believers.

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I'm not disagreeing with you.

I'd bet President Trump IS a sleazebag.

I just think he won't be removed from office - and it's going to hurt the Dems in the future.

Quote:You might want to reexamine their "purity".

One doesn't hae to be pure to do the right thing for the right reason 

Quote:The Dems have been looking for an impeachment for over 3 years....

Yup and for damn good reason .It's just his time Trump can't over his ass as well 

Quote:That should give you pause. - unless you are a party loyalist.

It doesn't because he's guilty as hell 

Quote:I don't see any winners.

If you think winning is about actually impeaching him of some other political game rather then at last tring to do the right thing .Then i can't help you .

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Quote:No room for debate?

Nope he's guilty

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Quote:So only the left side of the aisle believes that.

Only the left side knows that 

Quote:You gotta convince the right side.

You can't convince hose who don't want to be convinced 

Quote:Just saying it's so isn't likely to work.

Aside the fac it's so 

Quote:It's sorta like fundies and "the bible says it's so"...

Accept their wrong and this isn't 

Quote:It's only truth to the believers.

Nope to anyone looking at the evidence 

Quote:I just think he won't be removed from office - and it's going to hurt the Dems in the future.

Irrelevant it has to be done

Enjoy the results.


However bad they are ....

(December 12, 2019 at 5:49 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Enjoy the results.


However bad they are ....

There is no joy to be found  either way 



If they don't try the results are bad anyway

Republicans won't impeach the Dumbfuck no matter what he does/did. That doesn't make impeachment pointless. The American people will take notice. And maybe the Democrats will grow a spine and when they get control of the senate and presidency again, they do some impeachable shit and use this as justification and do whatever the fuck they want.

What on earth are you talking about OLB? The right side of the aisle doesn't need to be convinced of anything, they already know what the president openly and plainly did. They just don't care.

So what?

(December 12, 2019 at 6:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: What on earth are you talking about OLB?  The right side of the aisle doesn't need to be convinced of anything, they already know what the president openly and plainly did.  They just don't care.

So what?

That's the lefts side of the story.

The right seems to believe otherwise.


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Know what it's like? An ugly divorce of a couple you know. Both sides insisting you believe their of the story.

Truth is - I never really liked either of 'em