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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 8:39 am
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Yes, you are. The position that abortions should be banned is nothing less than telling people what to do under penalty of criminal enforcement. You don't have to know anything, at all, about the reasons a person might have an abortion to understand this. No matter what their reasons, and no matter what you feel about those reasons, it remains a fact that banning abortion only increases the number of victims and misery.
If your goal and motivation, if your justification for such a position is the reduction of harm to people, then banning abortion is flatly counterproductive to that goal. It shouldn't take ten years to understand this, and it has nothing to do with atheism.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 9:00 am
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 11:07 am
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(February 17, 2020 at 2:51 pm)Agnostico Wrote: This is just another one of those topics that the secular community support for one reason only... To oppose religion
If they wanted to make it legal to kill a baby up to 6 months, these guys would support it
Who is the 'they' that would want to make it legal to kill a baby up to six month? Who are 'these guys' you think would support it?
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 11:29 am
Hur durr, atheists, and their atheist morality, who else. How many times does he have to spell it out for you? 
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 12:05 pm
(February 18, 2020 at 8:26 am)Agnostico Wrote: Bed time for me but a question first...
What are the reasons someone would choose abortion over adoption? Its a big decision and i want to make sure i understand it. As a guy I can only guess.
1. Pregnancy and birth are dangerous to the health of the woman.
2 Pregnancy and birth permanently alter a woman's body.
3. Pregnancy and birth can cause mental and emotional problems, even under otherwise healthy circumstances.
4. A woman may not want to give up her bodily autonomy.
5. She may not want to be a life support system for the fetus.
I am sure I am probably missing some more.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 2:55 pm
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(February 18, 2020 at 12:05 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (February 18, 2020 at 8:26 am)Agnostico Wrote: Bed time for me but a question first...
What are the reasons someone would choose abortion over adoption? Its a big decision and i want to make sure i understand it. As a guy I can only guess.
1. Pregnancy and birth are dangerous to the health of the woman.
2 Pregnancy and birth permanently alter a woman's body.
3. Pregnancy and birth can cause mental and emotional problems, even under otherwise healthy circumstances.
4. A woman may not want to give up her bodily autonomy.
5. She may not want to be a life support system for the fetus.
I am sure I am probably missing some more.
More reasons:
6. People born in the 1st world, especially the US, are 16 times more harmful to the environment than people born in 2nd and 3rd world countries. A woman may not want to bring a child into the world to add even more to environmental damage, even if she isn't going to be the parent.
9. There is a very real possibility, that climate change will cause major: famines, poverty, weather related disasters, floods, etc, etc. A woman may not want to bring a child, even if she is not going to be the parent, into such a world.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 6:15 pm
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A woman might be in the middle of education and thus not in a position to deal with the disruption caused by pregnancy.
Her partner may have evicted her onto the streets the moment he found out she was pregnant.
Frankly whatever the reason it would be a matter for her (and possibly her partner) not for idle gossips in the bus stop.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 6:32 pm
Exactly, maybe her reason is fuck us her reason is none of our business.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 6:41 pm
Clearly, the BEST reason to stop a woman from having an abortion is that she wants one.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 7:18 pm
One thing I've noticed as I've risen up the career ladder is there are a lot of very talented/skilled women in the lower ranks of businesses. However over time these reduce as they are forced to choose between their careers and starting a family. This can often strip organisations of their best personnel and it increases in frequency as you move up an organisation.
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