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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 24, 2020 at 5:47 pm
(September 24, 2020 at 2:02 pm)Drich Wrote: i have several time now.. who said the voice was disembodied? it came from a black man i gave a ride to on a cold winter evening.
Shoot in directly into my veins...lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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September 24, 2020 at 6:04 pm
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2020 at 6:07 pm by Sal.)
"black man", Drich? You're a riot.
And before you start accusing me of racism or some other shit - examine what you're saying.
Some rando approached you, and you believed him straight away?
I'd like to hear more of this encounter.
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September 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm
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(September 24, 2020 at 6:04 pm)Sal Wrote: "black man", Drich? You're a riot.
And before you start accusing me of racism or some other shit - examine what you're saying.
Some rando approached you, and you believed him straight away?
I'd like to hear more of this encounter.
What I would be interested in knowing, is if someone found this black guy in a mental institution or a retirement home, and it didn't seem like he was Jesus, would Drich change his mind?
I believe that he would not.
The value of the religious experience is that emotion that it imparts within the person, not on the validity of it. Even if the black guy was off his meds, Drich's experience still exists. Drich might even alter his view to say that the guy wasn't crazy, but was just acting as a conduit for God (I believe it was common in the past to consider crazy people as touched by either the a devil or one of the gods).
I know someone who has had a meditative experience of "being one with everything". That one experience has shaped the person's religious views for 20 years, despite never being able to repeat it. I wouldn't want to take away their experience, and yet I think the new-age philosophy that the person now espouses is completely without reality.
As atheists, we will always lose our arguments if we try to tell theists that their religious or "peak" experiences aren't real. They are real, and they are important to that person. All we can do is offer alternate, more rational explanations.
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September 25, 2020 at 1:22 pm
(September 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: As atheists, we will always lose our arguments if we try to tell theists that their religious or "peak" experiences aren't real. They are real, and they are important to that person. All we can do is offer alternate, more rational explanations.
I think this encounter probably took place, I just think it would be entertaining to see the depravity and delusion. I think the thoughts theists have about the supernatural are real, as thoughts.
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September 26, 2020 at 12:38 am
(August 26, 2020 at 12:31 pm)no one Wrote: If we're talking the god of Abraham, it apparently has issues comprehending a blueprint, there are car too many flaws in this perfect paradise.
He failed god school, that's the problem.
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October 2, 2020 at 11:43 am
Did you rule out witches?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 2, 2020 at 4:23 pm
(August 26, 2020 at 11:31 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (August 26, 2020 at 11:22 am)brewer Wrote: I think Nietzsche disagrees with you.
"God is dead." Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead." God
"God and Nietzsche are both dead." (History)
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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