(February 3, 2021 at 5:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: What percentage of Jews identify as white? I thought most of them don't consider themselves white, and I'm not going to put a label on them that they don't want. I'm part Irish and yes, I consider Irish to be white. Italians, sure. Armenians? Not really. When I see the Kardashians called white I don't really see it.

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Source on page 46 of this Pew Research report:

Quote:Race and Ethnicity
More than nine-in-ten U.S. Jews surveyed describe themselves as non-Hispanic whites, while 2% are black, 3% are Hispanic, and 2% are of other racial and ethnic backgrounds. Racial and ethnic minorities make up a far larger share of the U.S. general population than of the Jewish population.

Note: When the survey says more than nine-in-ten, the actual number is 94% for the net Jewish population, 95% for religious Jews. When Jewish people who aren't religious were polled, the number went down to 88%, and most of the increase comes with those who identify as black or Hispanic, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't think Jewish people consider themselves black or Latino. The survey lists a net total of 2% of Jewish people who identify as something other than white, black, or Hispanic (3% for the irreligious Jews.)

(February 3, 2021 at 5:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The white supremacist demonizes the blacks.
The black supremacist demonizes the whites.
I chime in and say let's not demonize the blacks or the whites.
"Wait. You agree with the white supremacists on not demonizing the whites. Surely you support white supremacy then."
Me: Shrugs shoulders. I guess so. Call me a white supremacist if you must.

That's going to be swell.  

We can tell the next nine year old who gets maced, or worse, that we just couldn't bring ourselves to do anything about it.  That we'd rather peddle victimization fantasies and be counted with the white supremacists.  It was just too hard to stare the problem in the face.

(February 3, 2021 at 5:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The white supremacist demonizes the blacks.
The black supremacist demonizes the whites.
I chime in and say let's not demonize the blacks or the whites.
"Wait. You agree with the white supremacists on not demonizing the whites. Surely you support white supremacy then."
Me: Shrugs shoulders. I guess so. Call me a white supremacist if you must.

If your reaction is to accept the label of white supremacist that bloody quickly, it's probably something you were already aware of for a while and just didn't give a shit about until people started calling you on your bullshit.

None of them are as dumb as they pretend to be. Imagining otherwise would be the bigotry of low expectations, lol.

Meanwhile, back in mere reality, it really would be dumb to complain about an abusive police force that we've created and excused at every turn. I guess we're doomed to repeat our mistakes and fail to learn our lessons, no matter how obvious. They're always going to come for you when they're done with The Other. It will be our own mealy mouthed excuses that they spit back at our credulous faces, when they do.

(February 3, 2021 at 6:11 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(February 3, 2021 at 5:24 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: A 9-year-old child doesn’t bear any responsibility for being pepper sprayed while handcuffed. Full stop.


 I mean, I can’t believe I have to say that out loud.

This kid didn't come about by abiogenesis.

Just maybe there some parents involved - in the loosest of the word's meaning...

They bear part of the blame for this clusterfuck.

I wasn’t talking about the parents, and of course they do.

Having started this thread, Imma pop in and say that I never expected some of the responses (though maybe I should have done). That people would try to share blame for a child being maced in face IS an attempt at justifying macing a child in the face.

Kinda disheartening.

Boru

Remember when blacks built an economy and nation on the backs of white slaves then fought a war to preserve the practice then continued to oppress white people for over a century afterward?  That sucked.  And now these black supremacists have the nerve to demonize whites?  Beyond ludacrisp.

(February 3, 2021 at 7:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Having started this thread, Imma pop in and say that I never expected some of the responses (though maybe I should have done). That people would try to share blame for a child being maced in face IS an attempt at justifying macing a child in the face.

Kinda disheartening.

Boru

Yo have to learn to be the suck to be american, or understand americans.  Just one more thing we're better at than everyone else.

(February 3, 2021 at 7:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Having started this thread, Imma pop in and say that I never expected some of the responses (though maybe I should have done). That people would try to share blame for a child being maced in face IS an attempt at justifying macing a child in the face.

Kinda disheartening.

Boru

No. It is not a justification.

It is a recognition that parents need to teach their kids the realities of life -and their failure to do so makes them liable for that failure.

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(February 3, 2021 at 7:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Having started this thread, Imma pop in and say that I never expected some of the responses (though maybe I should have done). That people would try to share blame for a child being maced in face IS an attempt at justifying macing a child in the face.

Kinda disheartening.

Boru

No. It is not a justification.

It is a recognition that parents need to teach their kids the realities of life -and their failure to do so makes them liable for that failure.

(February 3, 2021 at 7:28 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(February 3, 2021 at 5:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The white supremacist demonizes the blacks.
The black supremacist demonizes the whites.
I chime in and say let's not demonize the blacks or the whites.
"Wait. You agree with the white supremacists on not demonizing the whites. Surely you support white supremacy then."
Me: Shrugs shoulders. I guess so. Call me a white supremacist if you must.

If your reaction is to accept the label of white supremacist that bloody quickly, it's probably something you were already aware of for a while and just didn't give a shit about until people started calling you on your bullshit.

It's not like I'm labelling myself a white supremacist lol. That's not how I meant that post. It's just that if they want to believe that, let em I say. I've posted all the reasons why I believe I'm not any kind of supremacist, but if after all of that someone is still not convinced, I'm not going to let a label someone puts on me bother me. What good would that do?

Clearly the BLM types are not going to accept me as an ally, so I'm not going to force myself on them. If they don't want me as an ally, I can deal with that and respect their wishes. I know I'm not superior. Trust me. I'm a college drop out and I'm poor as shit. I respect the hell out of black doctors, scientists, and others that have accomplished far more than I in life. And I even want better treatment for black murderers in prison because I don't believe in free will and understand that they couldn't have done otherwise. Give them better living conditions. Better food. I'm all for it. I even think black murderers should have the right to vote. I'm a white supremacist though. Just a very kind one.