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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 3:07 pm
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(February 5, 2021 at 2:57 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Now I get it. Cops are only human and allowed to make mistakes. Parents aren't. Cool. I feel both edgy and woke.
More than cops are only human, but it's unreasonable to expect the sort of moral accountability or agency one expects from virtually every other type of human from them, any more than, say, a bear or a rattlesnake.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 3:09 pm
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Authoritarian shitheels with a fundamental contempt for others aren't known for their consistency. We can apply this to dirtbag cops or their apologists - it's an efficient statement.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 3:35 pm
(February 5, 2021 at 3:07 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (February 5, 2021 at 2:57 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Now I get it. Cops are only human and allowed to make mistakes. Parents aren't. Cool. I feel both edgy and woke.
More than cops are only human, but it's unreasonable to expect the sort of moral accountability or agency one expects from virtually every other type of human from them, any more than, say, a bear or a rattlesnake.
Strongly disagree. These are ostensibly the people we’ve entrusted to help keep us safe. To that end, we’ve trained them, armed them, paid their salaries, and have given them a virtual monopoly on deadly force.
We have EVERY right to expect a higher moral and ethical standard from them. If they can’t provide or live up to that standard, they should choose another profession.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 3:45 pm
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(February 5, 2021 at 3:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (February 5, 2021 at 3:07 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: More than cops are only human, but it's unreasonable to expect the sort of moral accountability or agency one expects from virtually every other type of human from them, any more than, say, a bear or a rattlesnake.
Strongly disagree. These are ostensibly the people we’ve entrusted to help keep us safe. To that end, we’ve trained them, armed them, paid their salaries, and have given them a virtual monopoly on deadly force.
We have EVERY right to expect a higher moral and ethical standard from them. If they can’t provide or live up to that standard, they should choose another profession.
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More summing up what Biker's been arguing than making my own position, which, frankly, aligns more with yours, just to be clear.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 3:59 pm
(February 1, 2021 at 2:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You act as if this happened in a vacuum.
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Sure the cops did an absolute bonehead, unforgivable thing.
It was in response to a kid who had been trained to act that way..
Will you acknowledge that?
Technically, this is where his argument began and ended, lol. He thinks that the parents are running a resistance camp. The rest is just fluff and concern trolling.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 4:25 pm
(February 5, 2021 at 3:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (February 5, 2021 at 3:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Strongly disagree. These are ostensibly the people we’ve entrusted to help keep us safe. To that end, we’ve trained them, armed them, paid their salaries, and have given them a virtual monopoly on deadly force.
We have EVERY right to expect a higher moral and ethical standard from them. If they can’t provide or live up to that standard, they should choose another profession.
Boru
More summing up what Biker's been arguing than making my own position, which, frankly, aligns more with yours, just to be clear.
Oh, sorry. Fair dues.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 4:30 pm
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(February 5, 2021 at 3:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (February 5, 2021 at 3:07 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: More than cops are only human, but it's unreasonable to expect the sort of moral accountability or agency one expects from virtually every other type of human from them, any more than, say, a bear or a rattlesnake.
Strongly disagree. These are ostensibly the people we’ve entrusted to help keep us safe. To that end, we’ve trained them, armed them, paid their salaries, and have given them a virtual monopoly on deadly force.
We have EVERY right to expect a higher moral and ethical standard from them. If they can’t provide or live up to that standard, they should choose another profession.
Boru
Then you won't have any cops.
They are no different than any other schlub on the street - and they will be the first to tell you that.
Their ethics and morals don't come from a textbook or a seminar - but like everone else - a life lived.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 4:38 pm
Quote:Then you won't have any cops.
Then you might as well hire a bunch of gangsters because that's all your getting anyway.
Quote:They are no different than any other schlub on the street - and they will be the first to tell you that.
Then that justifies their existence even less
Quote:Their ethics and morals don't come from a textbook or a seminar - but like everone else - a life lived.
Ah so that's why you're such a repugnant Social Darwinist
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 4:39 pm
(February 5, 2021 at 4:30 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (February 5, 2021 at 3:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Strongly disagree. These are ostensibly the people we’ve entrusted to help keep us safe. To that end, we’ve trained them, armed them, paid their salaries, and have given them a virtual monopoly on deadly force.
We have EVERY right to expect a higher moral and ethical standard from them. If they can’t provide or live up to that standard, they should choose another profession.
Boru
Then you won't have any cops.
They are no different than any other schlub on the street - and they will be the first to tell you that.
Their ethics and morals don't come from a textbook or a seminar - but like everone else - a life lived.
Then do a better job of who you hire as cops. Maybe an interview question like, ‘Describe the circumstances under which you would pepper spray a nine year old in the face’ would be helpful.
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RE: Please Justify This Police Action For Me
February 5, 2021 at 4:40 pm
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(February 5, 2021 at 4:30 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (February 5, 2021 at 3:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Strongly disagree. These are ostensibly the people we’ve entrusted to help keep us safe. To that end, we’ve trained them, armed them, paid their salaries, and have given them a virtual monopoly on deadly force.
We have EVERY right to expect a higher moral and ethical standard from them. If they can’t provide or live up to that standard, they should choose another profession.
Boru
Then you won't have any cops. Is that supposed to be different than the situation you described, where we have criminal gangs instead of cops? This isn't just a bad faith argument, it's a self defeating bad faith argument, precisely the same as your ironic demand that others acknowledge that people might do what they've been trained to do.
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