-and how have the "elected" coalitions the afghans put in place been doing for afghan people? The CIA didnt turn them into the people they are, people of no nation - it exploited what was already there...as it always does, since cia isn't the all powerful ex nihilo creator of human circumstance anywhere it operates.

The current state of affairs is a humanitarian disaster made worse, chielfy, by us withdrawal. They'll have a civil war soon enough as en entire generation of people grew up outside of taliban rule. More will die. If the "wrong side" wins that..it will happen again. Again and again ad infinitum only for the refusal of others who could help...to help. Only for the discord of taliban sympathizers amongst the otherwise helpful.

I sometimes like to add subtlety to a comment, This time I won't.

As a completely unapologetic ad hominem remark; Winterhold, you are an amoral cretin.

(August 17, 2021 at 10:44 am)WinterHold Wrote: Are you sure the Taliban were the guy being slapped?

as for this...

Yep, entirely sure.  They lost their whole country...every bit of it.... lost a generation of it's people, and didn't get it back until Trump decided to cut the afghan government out and negotiate directly with the taliban...who had always been negotiating with the regular government.  

The whole point of the talibans pr blitz, which obviously has you so enamored as an islmaist, is to make them an accetible authority and equal as a partner to the us and wider global community in the coming years of rule.  They must be seen to be legitimate, in order to cash in the benefits of legitimacy.

One group of collaboraters flies out, another group seeks to consolidate their collaborative position. Years ago they were given an ultimatum - give us bin ladin or else. They chose or else, and they got or else, and now they want a reset as if they'd given him up from the word go. The taliban of today is not the taliban of yesteryear - their only continuity being a commitment to human rights abuse as sanctioned by your shared god.

(August 17, 2021 at 3:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and how have the "elected" coalitions the afghans put in place been doing for afghan people?  The CIA didnt turn them into the people they are, people of no nation - it exploited what was already there...as it always does, since cia isn't the all powerful ex nihilo creator of human circumstance anywhere it operates.

The current state of affairs is a humanitarian disaster made worse, chielfy, by us withdrawal.  They'll have a civil war soon enough as en entire generation of people grew up outside of taliban rule.  More will die.  If the "wrong side" wins that..it will happen again.  Again and again ad infinitum only for the refusal of others who could help...to help.  Only for the discord of taliban sympathizers amongst the otherwise helpful.

I thought the "humanitarian crisis" took place by the soviet invasion, followed by the U.S invasion ! I mean both invasions caused:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War 

Then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta...fghanistan

Western invasion forces and Russians (or as I call them: Gog and Magog) are the main cause of humanitarian crisis in this country; we tried American and Russian invasions in Iraq & Syria; you are the cause of any global mayhem and deaths. You even love your dogs more than you love your allies:


(American soldier's dog taken from Afghanistan after retreat in 2021):

While your Afghani human allies met this treatment:

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_...69791.html



(American plane overruns Afghan allies who wanted to flee in 2021).

Your state's foreign policy is the main cause of instability and mayhem. You are not humans, and the whole world saw what you are and what your wars were for.

With all the graveyard of empires talk, you'd think a guy might realize that shit was going awry in afghanistan before the first colonist ever left europe for american shores. The most accurate and scathing criticism of the current us policy is that we're putting things back the way we found them.

Mind you, I don't know what sense it would make to bicker with a non human about any of this.

(August 18, 2021 at 3:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: With all the graveyard of empires talk, you'd think a guy might realize that shit was going awry in afghanistan before the first colonist ever left europe for american shores.  The most accurate and scathing criticism of the current us policy is that we're putting things back the way we found them.  

Mind you, I don't know what sense it would make to bicker with a non human about any of this.

The U.S is "not putting things the way they are"; it is "withdrawing its soldiers and resorting to its local proxies to do the dirty work for them". We saw this tactic in all Arab countries for example; just like Iraq: the Taliban will have a new war of orchestrated coups supported by the U.S.

If Biden couldn't handle the new war; Trump will return and continue it.

Note that people bringing "change to the U.S foreign policy" are being fought and suppressed; people like Bernie Sanders for example.

That of course if other super-powers didn't bloom.

Quote:The U.S is "not putting things the way they are"; it is "withdrawing its soldiers and resorting to its local proxies to do the dirty work for them". We saw this tactic in all Arab countries for example; just like Iraq: the Taliban will have a new war of orchestrated coups supported by the U.S.

It's fighting a deranged group of killers without risking any more of it's citizens 

Quote:If Biden couldn't handle the new war; Trump will return and continue it.

Trump never returning nor are we likely for decades to come 

Quote:Note that people bringing "change to the U.S foreign policy" are being fought and suppressed; people like Bernie Sanders for example.

Lol no

Quote:That of course if other super-powers didn't bloom.

There are no other super powers

(August 18, 2021 at 4:16 am)WinterHold Wrote: If Biden couldn't handle the new war; Trump will return and continue it.

Even if Trump did return to power, he's the one who negotiated the pullout.  His stance on foreign wars was to end them.  That's the single thing I can somewhat agree with him on.  To Trump it was all about how much it cost.

@WinterHold
We're definitely putting things back..the way we found them.  Dancing boys, routine human rights abuse, corruption, the whole islamist kit and kaboodle.  

If you think we have proxies there to do work for us in our absence, well..that was also true before the invasion.  I guess the fact that the taliban seeks to act like just such a proxy going forward is a change.

(August 15, 2021 at 9:00 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Taliban changed since the past as the headlines prove; in the past they were extremely backward and savage; unorganized and ignorant.

Ah, what a big fat lie. Taliban are still backward and savage.