(December 22, 2022 at 9:41 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you're having trouble securing a partner..definitely -don't- mention the thing where you're sure that the best you can offer them, is to endure your time with them.  Similarly, if you're having trouble securing a partner, maybe look for a female that -does- desire men?  This state of affairs where you're thinking about being with someone who doesn't want you, while you want everyone else, well..obviously..that's not going to be a good relationship, eh?  More like the preamble to a divorce or breakup.  There are definitely people who find themselves there, and misery loving company, I can see how we might focus on those sorts of dysfunctional relationships when we're lonely...but that's probably just a self pitying coping mechanism.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no relationship guru, and no pickup artist.  I'm a serial monogamist that didn't get marriage right the first go round.  Sometimes, even when the other person wants you, and you're completely satisfied with them, it still doesn't work out - but it seems like that's a good place to start.  I suppose that the awkwardness of the approach is something that won't go away anytime soon.  It's always terrifying to really open up to someone, to invite rejection.  Makes your heart beat a little faster, and it feels like shit when it doesn't pan out.  The good news, my dude..is that when any one female rejects you, there are about four billion more in the world.

Echoing FM above, you may not think that your post was about you, that you're not "getting personal" but ofc you are.  You're not describing women-et-al in any of that, you're projecting your disappointments, fears, suspicions, and perceived inadequacies onto them.  Another thing you might want to look into, in it's totality, if you're having trouble securing a partner.  It's not fun for anybody, not you, not them.  Nobody wants that shit.  Nobody.  It's just no fun.

Is there any man on Earth who does not feel related with the post? 
This is not about me.

I think most people can relate to the problems outlined.   Some found solutions, some pretend to have found solution, and some can’t bear the ego hit of admitting they were ever not so much above plebeians that they could have related.

(December 22, 2022 at 10:04 am)Macoleco Wrote: Is there any man on Earth who does not feel related with the post? 
This is not about me.

I'm sure you'll find people who relate and people who don't?   What's the utility, to you, of imagining that your relationship troubles aren't about you? I can see how I might not relate because of details about me and my own life, for example. I grew up surrounded by females - like, alot, it was a running joke in my family that my ggm and gm refused to have sons and they were women of their word, lol. It's hard to hold the misapprehensions about women that you've expressed when you watch a whole gaggle of them pine over some schmuck like common horndogs. I assume you have a mother, you must know she fucks? Aunts, cousins, sisters? Was your father unfaithful, did he endure his life with your mother? Was she manipulative? Were you brought up, in any sense, to believe that having sexual desires was suboptimal? Such that having them would be a curse? Were you brought up to believe that women were pure as the driven snow, and so, did not have those same sexual desires..or should not?

(December 22, 2022 at 10:04 am)Macoleco Wrote:

(December 22, 2022 at 9:41 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you're having trouble securing a partner..definitely -don't- mention the thing where you're sure that the best you can offer them, is to endure your time with them.  Similarly, if you're having trouble securing a partner, maybe look for a female that -does- desire men?  This state of affairs where you're thinking about being with someone who doesn't want you, while you want everyone else, well..obviously..that's not going to be a good relationship, eh?  More like the preamble to a divorce or breakup.  There are definitely people who find themselves there, and misery loving company, I can see how we might focus on those sorts of dysfunctional relationships when we're lonely...but that's probably just a self pitying coping mechanism.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no relationship guru, and no pickup artist.  I'm a serial monogamist that didn't get marriage right the first go round.  Sometimes, even when the other person wants you, and you're completely satisfied with them, it still doesn't work out - but it seems like that's a good place to start.  I suppose that the awkwardness of the approach is something that won't go away anytime soon.  It's always terrifying to really open up to someone, to invite rejection.  Makes your heart beat a little faster, and it feels like shit when it doesn't pan out.  The good news, my dude..is that when any one female rejects you, there are about four billion more in the world.

Echoing FM above, you may not think that your post was about you, that you're not "getting personal" but ofc you are.  You're not describing women-et-al in any of that, you're projecting your disappointments, fears, suspicions, and perceived inadequacies onto them.  Another thing you might want to look into, in it's totality, if you're having trouble securing a partner.  It's not fun for anybody, not you, not them.  Nobody wants that shit.  Nobody.  It's just no fun.

Is there any man on Earth who does not feel related with the post? 
This is not about me.

That totally makes sense.  Other men feel that way, but not you.  Of course, of course.  Carry on.

(December 22, 2022 at 10:04 am)Macoleco Wrote:

(December 22, 2022 at 9:41 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you're having trouble securing a partner..definitely -don't- mention the thing where you're sure that the best you can offer them, is to endure your time with them.  Similarly, if you're having trouble securing a partner, maybe look for a female that -does- desire men?  This state of affairs where you're thinking about being with someone who doesn't want you, while you want everyone else, well..obviously..that's not going to be a good relationship, eh?  More like the preamble to a divorce or breakup.  There are definitely people who find themselves there, and misery loving company, I can see how we might focus on those sorts of dysfunctional relationships when we're lonely...but that's probably just a self pitying coping mechanism.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no relationship guru, and no pickup artist.  I'm a serial monogamist that didn't get marriage right the first go round.  Sometimes, even when the other person wants you, and you're completely satisfied with them, it still doesn't work out - but it seems like that's a good place to start.  I suppose that the awkwardness of the approach is something that won't go away anytime soon.  It's always terrifying to really open up to someone, to invite rejection.  Makes your heart beat a little faster, and it feels like shit when it doesn't pan out.  The good news, my dude..is that when any one female rejects you, there are about four billion more in the world.

Echoing FM above, you may not think that your post was about you, that you're not "getting personal" but ofc you are.  You're not describing women-et-al in any of that, you're projecting your disappointments, fears, suspicions, and perceived inadequacies onto them.  Another thing you might want to look into, in it's totality, if you're having trouble securing a partner.  It's not fun for anybody, not you, not them.  Nobody wants that shit.  Nobody.  It's just no fun.

Is there any man on Earth who does not feel related with the post? 
This is not about me.

I don’t feel related. Then again, I’ve never had all that much trouble getting my weasel greased.

Boru

Our doubt our boy would either, it's just that he's trying to get it greased by barbie..and he's not ken? Seems to be the thrust.

More of a blessing than a curse.  I've been both unlucky and very lucky.  I love women not only for sex but for friendship.  I've enjoyed their perspectives and wisdom since childhood.  I'd much rather catch serial boners than menstruate.

I've been told there's nothing more attractive than a man who loves women.

I suppose the antithesis would also hold, and might explain why people who perceive women as incels perceive women are..in fact, not involuntarily celibate..at all. Barbie won't fuck them..not because they aren't Ken...but because it's pretty clear they don't like her, and think shitty things about her. That they can barely stand women at all.

It may not land you a Barbie, but it works with Malibu Amber, Skipper's hot mom.

"Incel" being a thing and mindset puzzles and concerns me.  It reflects a lack of communication and understanding.  Then there are guys I see at bars and shows, in their mid 20's, who probably do have sex, thanks to swipe right apps.  But, they hang out with other dudes.  Dough bros, I call them.  They look like they used to work out, but not so much anymore.  It's a very different scene from the 70's and 80's.  A disconnect between genders occurred since my heyday.  I hope Gen A works it out.

Wasn't it just the other day the OP was going to a wedding and hoping to hook up with a Japanese girl. I get the feeling that didn't work out. So, of course, this is not personal.