(July 25, 2023 at 9:51 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 24, 2023 at 3:59 pm)emjay Wrote: That was just a rough analogy. The point was, if you were created, your creator only has might, not right, to mistreat you. And if he does that, he can at most expect obedience, but not genuine love and respect, because that has to be earned.

But why won't you be grateful ?
Don't you have two eyes?
A tongue and two lips?

Even if you are blind and deaf; you still have thoughts and a brain.

The obedience is for getting rewards only, but the more one is obedient for God the more they realize that this life is a mere timed simulation that will end very soon. So it won't last, no pain in this simulation will last, it is only for a timed period.

Being a timed test is in itself a mercy deserving obedience. Imaging if instead, humans lived for Millions of years, with chronic diseases.

Hey Winter, what does you godthing do with people who just don’t believe and your godthing hasn’t provided any evidence that it exist?

What happens to them after they die?

(July 25, 2023 at 10:23 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 25, 2023 at 9:53 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Whose a good girl, who wants a cookie?

Do you want to know why I consider your religion life denying, a death cult?  In what I truly believe is an unvarnished description of the motivations for your beliefs...you center all of reality on your hope that all this pain will go away, that this will have been a temporary simulation.  You're dripping with longing of death.  You don't want to be good, you don't even want to live.  What beauty do you see around you, really?   You have eyes to see.....but what you see is pain.  You're not grateful for it, you want it to end.

Actually it's not pain; but fatigue. With M.S, your stamina gets depleted just like a meter a cellphone battery; literally.

So you start your day with 85% power. Then it depletes and deplete, you don't feel pain, but your eyelids just drop and you wanna ZzzzZZZ.

That's why I take long time in replying.

Why did your godthing invent MS and why did it think YOU need to suffer with it?

(July 25, 2023 at 9:51 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 24, 2023 at 3:59 pm)emjay Wrote: That was just a rough analogy. The point was, if you were created, your creator only has might, not right, to mistreat you. And if he does that, he can at most expect obedience, but not genuine love and respect, because that has to be earned.

But why won't you be grateful ?
Don't you have two eyes?
A tongue and two lips?

Even if you are blind and deaf; you still have thoughts and a brain.

The obedience is for getting rewards only, but the more one is obedient for God the more they realize that this life is a mere timed simulation that will end very soon. So it won't last, no pain in this simulation will last, it is only for a timed period.

Being a timed test is in itself a mercy deserving obedience. Imaging if instead, humans lived for Millions of years, with chronic diseases.

For me the first injustice of this supposed god is it judging primarily on what you believe rather than what you do; ie fairer and much more logical if you're a god would be to make yourself known to everybody without question, then it would be a far more logical test of obedience alone. People could still choose to reject it, and I most probably would for its other injustices, but it would at least make sense as the right sort of test.

(July 25, 2023 at 10:23 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 25, 2023 at 9:53 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Whose a good girl, who wants a cookie?

Do you want to know why I consider your religion life denying, a death cult?  In what I truly believe is an unvarnished description of the motivations for your beliefs...you center all of reality on your hope that all this pain will go away, that this will have been a temporary simulation.  You're dripping with longing of death.  You don't want to be good, you don't even want to live.  What beauty do you see around you, really?   You have eyes to see.....but what you see is pain.  You're not grateful for it, you want it to end.

Actually it's not pain; but fatigue. With M.S, your stamina gets depleted just like a meter a cellphone battery; literally.

So you start your day with 85% power. Then it depletes and deplete, you don't feel pain, but your eyelids just drop and you wanna ZzzzZZZ.

That's why I take long time in replying.

Fine, then all you see is fatigue.  That's what you do, with your ungrateful eyes.  I'm not here to litigate your perception.  I'm merely pointing out that your arguments and insinuations are hypocritical, uncompelling even to you.

I look at the world with my two eyes and I have no trouble being grateful for the things I see.  I just don't believe in djinn.  What we have here is an example of you not being able to do what you insist others should..and of others actually doing that thing you don't do, and not reaching the same conclusions you have. If you want to suggest that your beliefs are in some way related to MS...fine, but that won't do your religion any favors, and I'm not anywhere near considerate enough to give a shit. I'll just point out that I don't have MS, and leave you to wonder which of us your god favors and why you would think that anyone else who doesn't suffer from what you suffer would believe things you believe on the basis of that suffering.

(July 25, 2023 at 10:23 am)WinterHold Wrote: Actually it's not pain; but fatigue. With M.S, your stamina gets depleted just like a meter a cellphone battery; literally.

So you start your day with 85% power. Then it depletes and deplete, you don't feel pain, but your eyelids just drop and you wanna ZzzzZZZ.

That's why I take long time in replying.

hey winter, if you were aborted would you be in paradise with your god right now?

Never having to be judged?

Never being blessed by god with MS?

(July 25, 2023 at 10:34 am)emjay Wrote:

(July 25, 2023 at 10:23 am)WinterHold Wrote: Actually it's not pain; but fatigue. With M.S, your stamina gets depleted just like a meter a cellphone battery; literally.

So you start your day with 85% power. Then it depletes and deplete, you don't feel pain, but your eyelids just drop and you wanna ZzzzZZZ.

That's why I take long time in replying.

I'm sorry to hear that. My sister has pretty much the same thing, and can barely get up the stairs sometimes. It's just so horrible seeing someone who used to be so vibrant and full of life reduced to that.

I hope she learns how to take shortcuts to avoid the disabling symptoms of this disease; the more she spends time with this disease the more her brain will adapt.

(July 25, 2023 at 10:38 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(July 25, 2023 at 9:51 am)WinterHold Wrote: But why won't you be grateful ?
Don't you have two eyes?
A tongue and two lips?

Even if you are blind and deaf; you still have thoughts and a brain.

The obedience is for getting rewards only, but the more one is obedient for God the more they realize that this life is a mere timed simulation that will end very soon. So it won't last, no pain in this simulation will last, it is only for a timed period.

Being a timed test is in itself a mercy deserving obedience. Imaging if instead, humans lived for Millions of years, with chronic diseases.

Hey Winter, what does you godthing do with people who just don’t believe and your godthing hasn’t provided any evidence that it exist?

What happens to them after they die?

He does the same thing that we see the sun doing to creatures standing too long under it and mock its might, you either adapt and admit its might, fear the burn or get a sunstroke and die.

(July 26, 2023 at 7:21 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 25, 2023 at 10:38 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Hey Winter, what does you godthing do with people who just don’t believe and your godthing hasn’t provided any evidence that it exist?

What happens to them after they die?

He does the same thing that we see the sun doing to creatures standing too long under it and mock its might, you either adapt and admit its might, fear the burn or get a sunstroke and die.

Typical dodge from the believer. 

Is your incoherent text saying I’ll be tortured for all eternity?

(July 25, 2023 at 10:41 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(July 25, 2023 at 10:23 am)WinterHold Wrote: Actually it's not pain; but fatigue. With M.S, your stamina gets depleted just like a meter a cellphone battery; literally.

So you start your day with 85% power. Then it depletes and deplete, you don't feel pain, but your eyelids just drop and you wanna ZzzzZZZ.

That's why I take long time in replying.

Why did your godthing invent MS and why did it think YOU need to suffer with it?

So I get tested: would I help others, be good despite the tiring symptoms and disabling effects; or turn into a desperate demon and pour my frustration and pain on others?

Also, would I be thankful for the blessings I still have -like body, movement, sight, taste-, or defy and be angry and desperate?

Like the difference between a depressed always angry fucker who goes on a killing rampage in a highschool, and a philanthropy enthusiast helping poor people.

M.S, Cancer, disease and misery are there just to make life a test ground for humans: you either turn up good or bad despite the scourge.

(July 26, 2023 at 7:35 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 25, 2023 at 10:41 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Why did your godthing invent MS and why did it think YOU need to suffer with it?

So I get tested: would I help others, be good despite the tiring symptoms and disabling effects; or turn into a desperate demon and pour my frustration and pain on others?

Also, would I be thankful for the blessings I still have -like body, movement, sight, taste-, or defy and be angry and desperate?

Like the difference between a depressed always angry fucker who goes on a killing rampage in a highschool, and a philanthropy enthusiast helping poor people.

M.S, Cancer, disease and misery are there just to make life a test ground for humans: you either turn up good or bad despite the scourge.

If you were aborted would you be with your god in paradise instead of god punishing you all these years and all the years your god wants to torture you here on earth?