This thread is not going to be a form of toxic masculinity but it still has to do about being a male individual because as a general rule, we get to face and accept the rule of the strongest at a very early age. Before we become adults, as young male individuals we usually have to choose between:
So here is question number two. Personally: I’m ok with Ukraine bombing oil refineries in Russia. Let them feel the weight of this war I think they have deserved this much. But what about grain? Someday we will have to rebuild Russia. At that time we will need a Russia that is able to produce stuff that are other than fossil fuels and outdated weapons. Don’t you agree?

Quote:And I grant myself the freedom to say that there is no “Islamist group” or “Muslim extremist” or “Jihadi Group”. And there is no “Christian” such group either. I know next to nothing about Judaism but I don’t think there can be such thing in Judaism either.

That is absolutely absurd. The history of the Abrahamic religions is one of (almost) never ending bloodshed against people who committed no crime other than believing the wrong things.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Boru

I doubt there’s much point in giving you a history lesson about conflict by the evidence of conflict as opposed to the myths and legends later writers came up with to romanticize it.

I’ll focus instead on the issue at hand. Russian grain. Russia has been destroying and stealing ukranian grain for four years. A ukranian patriot would probably correct me to point out they’ve been doing it for centuries. Russia can rebuild itself, with its own shit. They should stop attacking Ukraine and start on that right now.

Girls avoid conflict? Have you ever known any girls?

And what the hell was question one?

And who exactly gives a flying damn that the Ukranians are disrupting anything to do with the Russians...it's FAFO for the Russians. They picked the wrong weakling to beat up on in their schoolyard.

Okay, this was like reading the bible.

Nonsense from beginning to end.

I don't even understand the impetus for the thought. It's crazyland shit.

If we wanted to worry about the people who will need alot of help rebuilding their country when this war is over..because humanitarian philosophy™.. it aint the russians........?

If we wanted to question the morality of targeting civilian infrastructure in a war with a mind to stop the aggressor from doing that....because decency™....it aint the ukranians...?

(July 28, 2026 at 2:07 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:

 - But even in the school yard or whatever neighborhood you are in there are some rules. I’ve never seen 2 or more guys taking on one guy. I’ve also rarely seen a 10th grader taking on a 9th grader. This is considered cowardly for the 10 graders and stupid if it’s the 9th grader. There is this sense of inner justice and if this sense of inner justice is violated it is not uncommon to have an older “big-brother” or more senior student intervening to protect one or the other party and/or try to resolve the conflict in a more diplomatic manner.

 

Generally I think the rules that apply in a schoolyard or among kids in a neighborhood have to do with conformity enforcement. 

Group conformity is VERY important to kids. Once it has been determined that an individual (another student or kid from the neighborhood) falls outside the acceptable range of conformity, then he becomes fair game. All of these self-contained groups include Self-Appointed Conformity Enforcers. They think that it is their right or even their duty to let the non-conformist know that he is unacceptable to them. They think they are doing a GOOD THING by teasing and insulting him until he learns to toe the line (or moves away, or commits suicide). 

Maybe you've noticed that every time they re-boot the Spiderman franchise, they have to include a scene where Peter Parker stands up for a bullied kid and defies the Group Conformity Enforcers. Importantly, he does this BEFORE he gets his spider powers, and the scene lets us know that even without super powers he is a Good Person who defends people who are different against the Group Conformity Enforcers. 

It's a perennial issue, though. Despite the clear message of every high school movie ever made, every enclosed group gets its clique of Group Conformity Enforcers, who think they are doing a good thing by being nasty to the people who, in their view, deserve nastiness. That's not going to change. 

Quote:And the Japanese are probably the masters of such martial rules. Although I believe that their society was very archaic before WWII, I know some stuff about their martial arts and writings. One very interesting book is the Hagakure by Uamamoto Tsunemoto and the Bushido by Inazo Nitobe.

Here I think we have to be a little bit careful. Both of the books you mention were written long after the Samurai had lost their powers as a hereditary warrior class. The Samurai were converted to clerks and other less glamorous government functionaries. Inazo Nitobe wrote Bushido in English while living in America. It was first published in Philadelphia. So they may offer an attractive code for warriors, but they are a little like 19th century historical novelists writing about King Arthur's court. There's a lot of romanticizing going on. 

Quote:So what happened in the Middle East is that after WWII, the USSR actively supported all resistance groups in the Middle East who wanted to free themselves from European colonialism. Later this spirit of resistance spread to Palestine as well. Then, at some point, things like the Munich Massacre in October 1971 started happening. Someone simply decided that delivering any type of punch to your adversary was ok.

There was a lot of stuff going on. Colonialist powers supported some groups and opposed others. Recently, for example, the US opposed Assad's government in Syria and replaced him with a high-level al Qaeda operative. So the colonialist powers are happy to support resistance groups when their goals temporarily align. 

Also remember that the terrorist attacks in Palestine after the Balfour Declaration were carried out by extremist Zionist groups -- by definition colonialists. Palestinian groups replied in kind and pretty soon both sides were at it full time. The Munich attack was in retaliation for attacks on Palestinians -- which doesn't make it OK, but also means that we shouldn't see it as some kind of isolated unprovoked punch out of nowhere. Zionists had been delivering whatever kind of punch they could for decades before that point. 

Quote:I know next to nothing about Judaism but I don’t think there can be such thing in Judaism either.

Sad to say, many Zionists justify extreme violence based on their religious beliefs. Their common use of the term "Amalek" to refer to any group that stands in their way is good evidence for this. Also the maps they often show of "Greater Israel," extending from the Nile to the Euphrates, is based on a promise that (according to the Hebrew Bible) God made to Abraham. 

As for Ukraine, it has no claim to moral superiority. War is bad, all countries that want to keep this war going are bad. 

Ukraine has lost half its population, its economy is shot to hell. Russia has all kinds of problems but they're not the ones who will have trouble rebuilding once NATO walks away and lets Ukraine fall to pieces. 

So much ignorance, in just two posts. Fucking unbelievable. How the fuck is if possible to be so ignorant at all!?

No extremist groups in Judaism? Has he never seen those guys in funny hats?

NATO leaving Ukraine in shambles? If it wasn't for nato countries, Ukraine would not exist anynore. NATO didn't invade Ukraine, NATO didn't try to succumb it for four years now.

Can't believe I have to fuckin say this, but bel and Leo are out of their fucking minds.

(July 28, 2026 at 2:07 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:

I’m hearing that Ukraine is now cutting the route of Russian grain exports.

Nice photos today of Zelensky and Netanyahu smiling at each other in Washington. 

Ukraine fired on an Iranian ship recently, so it's possible that Zelensky's masters are encouraging him to merge the two wars. I don't think it's wise for him to take on both Russia and Iran at the same time, but the whole plan isn't about doing what's best for Ukraine.

(July 29, 2026 at 2:16 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Can't believe I have to fuckin say this, but bel and Leo are out of their fucking minds.

At least you know that Russia is losing when Belacqua starts with his desperate accusations against Ukraine.