The ifs of theology are fun, almost as though we're all just making it up as we go along.
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If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
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 (Yesterday at 12:48 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The conditional “if” in the question either presupposes or implies that a gods existence is a modifying factor in whether or not an objective morality exists or could be expressed. Thus, it is not a ref herring, or changing the subject, to explore the other side of that conditional and whether or not it actually is a valid modifier.Exactly If he was a honest interlocutor he would have aksed if objective morals do exist, at all, after claifying any possible differences in defnitions. Then he would have gone to gods and without gods. But he didnt, because he isnt.
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My favorite set of possible circumstances is that there are gods, and an objective morality, but the objective morality is not the gods morality, and following the objective morality will get us into deep shit with said gods.
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 (Yesterday at 1:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: My favorite set of possible circumstances is that there are gods, and an objective morality, but the objective morality is not the gods morality, and following the objective morality will get us into deep shit with said gods. You mean, gods could be assholes?... heaven forbid!  We've never seen anything suggesting that have we? /s
 (Yesterday at 4:09 am)AngelThMan Wrote:(October 16, 2026 at 10:41 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: By the obvious standard that morality must agree with an underlying physical reality.Obvious? How? That's not an answer. I'm boggled by the dumb answers I get from so-called brilliant atheists. How is physical reality not obvious to you? Or perhaps it's the difficult link between reality and morality? On a personal note, you're not trying to make a positive first impression, are you? Awesome, we've got another Twat Waffle for Christ.  (Yesterday at 1:37 pm)emjay Wrote:(Yesterday at 1:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: My favorite set of possible circumstances is that there are gods, and an objective morality, but the objective morality is not the gods morality, and following the objective morality will get us into deep shit with said gods. ‘Of course gods exist, but that no call to go around believing in ‘em.’ - Granny Weatherwax Boru
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 (Yesterday at 10:27 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(Yesterday at 4:07 am)AngelThMan Wrote: The point is that your opinion is not binding anywhere in the world. (Yesterday at 10:27 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(Yesterday at 4:07 am)AngelThMan Wrote: The point is that your opinion is not binding anywhere in the world. How can your opinion be true? Who would decide that it is true under atheism? "...as many other posters have already said, nothing about a god is truthmaking for moral realism" I have never made any claims about truthmaking from a god. Just that under atheism there cannot be objective moral values. It's a different debate. I'm making a commentary on atheism, not theism. So bringing up anything within theism is a red herring for now. If you or others can admit or grant that there cannot be objective moral values without a deity,l then we can move on to the other debate.  |
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