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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 2:32 pm)Thor Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Galatians 3:13 Thor.
You mean this?
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:
So this is saying that OT laws are "a curse"? How can this be? Weren't these laws passed down by "God"? How could anything ordained by "God" be a curse? It makes no sense.
Are you only just realising that most of the bible makes no sense?
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Of course it doesn't make any sense, they're babbling about curses...lol. Nevertheless, that's the verse often pointed out to show that we have been redeemed of the law, you'd have to go down the rabbit hole of duet (from which the reference is drawn) .....and extra biblical cultural studies to grasp what would, in the end, make as little sense as it did before. God is quite fond of curses.
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 2:32 pm)Thor Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Galatians 3:13 Thor.
You mean this?
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:
So this is saying that OT laws are "a curse"? How can this be? Weren't these laws passed down by "God"? How could anything ordained by "God" be a curse? It makes no sense.
Then start at the beginning of the chapter and read it through. If you have specific questions I will be happy to help you understand what you have missed.
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm
You should paraphrase it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Actually, my friend, I've seen more christians invoke OT law than atheists (who probably don't give a shit whether your "law" comes from the OT or the NT).
Again the Law is divided into three parts. What is quoted is most likely from the moral side of the law which remains or is carried over into NT Christianity.
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm)Drich Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 2:27 pm)Tobie Wrote: If you only choose to obey the moral law, (i.e the ten commandments) then why do you view homosexuality as a sin?
The moral law includes but is not limited to the ten commandments.
Again 1co 7 defines what marriage is. Samesex marriages are not apart of that defination. Therefore homosexual activity does not have a santified context in which to be found permissiable before God. By that observation it makes all homosexual activity a sin.
Wait a minute! Aren't the "Ten Commandments" in the OT? Aren't they the "cursed laws" that no longer apply?
So what the hell....? Some OT laws apply but others don't? What kind of half baked crap is this?
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Exactly the kind of half baked crap you think it is. "We like these, we'll keep them...oh no, we don't like those, throw them away".
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2012 at 2:40 pm by Drich.)
(May 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You should paraphrase it.
Galations 3 has been spelled out in common english in the link I gave. Maybe read that first, and ask questions if any remain.
(May 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm)Thor Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm)Drich Wrote: The moral law includes but is not limited to the ten commandments.
Again 1co 7 defines what marriage is. Samesex marriages are not apart of that defination. Therefore homosexual activity does not have a santified context in which to be found permissiable before God. By that observation it makes all homosexual activity a sin.
Wait a minute! Aren't the "Ten Commandments" in the OT? Aren't they the "cursed laws" that no longer apply?
So what the hell....? Some OT laws apply but others don't? What kind of half baked crap is this?
reread the opening statement
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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How have you determined that the moral law remains, and how have you determined what is under the remit of moral law? Why is atonement incomplete or insufficient for all transgression?
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RE: The division between OT worship and NT worship
May 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Alternative OP: We're basically going to take the entire thing as written, until we realise bits are complete bullshit and were out of date about 1,000 years ago.
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