The division between OT worship and NT worship

[Epimethean]

Ryft, are you claiming that it does make clear sense-in a way that a non-believer or follower of another religion would agree is sensible and defensible?

[Drich]

Ryft, are you claiming that it does make clear sense-in a way that a non-believer or follower of another religion would agree is sensible and defensible?

Yes, simply put the law is only there to define sin.

Once you see yourself in sin then you can seek atonement.

Once you have obtained atonement the law becomes a lipmus test to help you discern the nature of your relationship with God. It is not the means of Salvation.

In otherwords The Law is not a standard in which you have to perfectly or even closely keep as a way to earn heaven. None of the law passes away for it still defines sin, It's just no longer the means for the redeemed in Christ to earn Righteousness.

Righteousness is now a gift that can only be accepted/received. It is no longer earned so that no man can boast.

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How could anything ordained by "God" be a curse? It makes no sense.

Are you only just realising that most of the bible makes no sense?

Of course it doesn't make any sense ...

It does not make sense!



(The devastating "Chewbacca defense" from atheists. What a hoot.)

Unfortunately the Chewbacca defense is not a good judgment day defense strategy.

[Ryft]

Ryft, are you claiming that it does make clear sense-in a way that a non-believer or follower of another religion would agree is sensible and defensible?

Yes. But I would not claim that Drich is providing it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Neither have you. Curses and magical beasties remain utter garbage.

[Epimethean]

Ryft, are you claiming that it does make clear sense-in a way that a non-believer or follower of another religion would agree is sensible and defensible?

Yes. But I would not claim that Drich is providing it.

Can you explain how-in a way that a non-believer or a follower of another religion would find intelligible?

[Ryft]

Can you explain how—in a way that a non-believer or a follower of another religion would find intelligible?

It is possible, yes, although how that explanation is fleshed out will obviously depend on the "non-believer or a follower of another religion" to whom I am speaking (e.g., the extent of background information they already possess, their willingness to understand, their specific confusion and degree thereof, and so forth).

[Shell B]

It does not matter if your New Testament trumps your Old Testament. The Old Testament shit is still there, showing what kind of god you worship. I believe Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison, though I could have my stories crossed. Even so, does that negate everything that came before this change or can we still call Jeffrey a psychopath? I think we still can and that goes for your god too.

[el_presidente]

Unfortunately the Chewbacca defense is not a good judgment day defense strategy.

[Aiza]

It does not matter if your New Testament trumps your Old Testament. The Old Testament shit is still there, showing what kind of god you worship. I believe Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison, though I could have my stories crossed. Even so, does that negate everything that came before this change or can we still call Jeffrey a psychopath? I think we still can and that goes for your god too.

Or maybe we can look at the literary, linguistic and cultural context of all the books? Or is that too difficult?

I don't think Jewish folk consider their God a psychopath either.

[Shell B]

Or maybe we can look at the literary, linguistic and cultural context of all the books? Or is that too difficult?

I don't think Jewish folk consider their God a psychopath either.

Yeah, they don't. That is why I do think the context is too difficult for Bible thumpers to comprehend. When you look at the context of the books, it becomes clear that they were written to keep an entirely different culture in line and yet you're marching to that same tune. Kind of a weird position to decide to be condescending from.