As an atheist board it is, you can post all you want, as long you backup your claims with something more substantial than anecdotal evidence. Has it come to your mind that perhaps something you 'feel' but cant demonstrate isn't really intelectually fair to us other humans? You believe in another-life? Good, present us ways we can believe also.

(June 21, 2012 at 12:28 pm)LastPoet Wrote: As an atheist board it is, you can post all you want, as long you backup your claims with something more substantial than anecdotal evidence. Has it come to your mind that perhaps something you 'feel' but cant demonstrate isn't really intelectually fair to us other humans? You believe in another-life? Good, present us ways we can believe also.

Let me clarify my "you should stop posting". I agree, he can post as much as he wants, I am not a mod and don't set the rules here, but he can take it as a personal suggestion from me because although there is tons of bad claims I can handle, con artists are to me what child molesters are to prison inmates.

And let me add, every time you hear about a psychic so called "getting it right" works when they rig it just like a magic show works on your brain, it is merely their prior knowledge combined with body reading and back word questioning to fish for what the person wants to believe.

So unless this person wants to take his bologna into a lab in a setting with neutral controls he hasn't rigged, I'm going to call a duck a duck. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for his lab tested Nobel Prize patient.

I detest con artists.

(June 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm)average Wrote: what about the people that have had out of body experiences? I know a few who have, this was way back in the 70s when nobody had heard of them.
A couple I worked with were in a head on car crash and were off work for months recovering. When I chatted to them when they returned to work, I asked what it was like. They both said it was very strange and said they weren't 'there' at the point of impact, they knew the crash couldn't be avoided but they were above the two cars watching the crash happen and watching themselves be thrown about. They then don't recall anything else until they woke up in hospital. All of us were puzzled by it and had no answers. Then, perhaps from the 90s onwards, people did come forward with similar incidents.

You have a tendency to believe a lot of what you are told it seems. I have this bridge in Brooklyn that you might like to buy. I can let you have it cheap.


http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...32,00.html

Quote:Two papers released this week by the journal Science describe what seem to be the first lab-induced out-of-body experiences in healthy people. Using goggles hooked up to video cameras, and sticks to poke and stroke, researchers subjected study participants to a variety of visual and physical cues to confuse their brain about their body's location.

I was once an ardent atheist too

Dubious claims are dubious.

Listen, I know a lot of people who like to over-interpret their dreams. Being someone who has very vivid dreams almost every night, I can understand why they might confuse a dream for a reality, but this just doesn't happen. If dead people were talking to me in dreams, my buddy from high school apparently wants to spend time in a shack that looks like a classroom and just stare at me, my dead aunt wants to ride in a car with me to her funeral, refusing to explain why she is sitting there unaware she is dead, etc. Just because your dream happened to make a little more sense doesn't make it more real than any of my dead people dreams.

ETA: Sorry about the name thing. I just don't believe you. It wasn't part of your original telling and it gets more intricate over time. That is a tell tale sign of trying to "convince" rather than "convey."

How do messages from dead people, even if they're real, have any thing to do with gods? Also, agnosticism isn't a mid-point between atheism and theism (or deism / pan(en)theism). Atheism and theism deal with belief, while agnosticism and gnosticism deal with knowledge. Belief and knowledge are two different things, and are compatible (eg: agnostic atheist, agnostic theist, gnostic deist, etc). Maybe you already know this; I don't mean to come off as condescending; I got the impression you mightn't be aware of the distinction.

(June 21, 2012 at 12:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I have this bridge in Brooklyn that you might like to buy. I can let you have it cheap.

Throw in the Eiffel Tower and you have a deal.

(June 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm)average Wrote: what about the people that have had out of body experiences? I know a few who have, this was way back in the 70s when nobody had heard of them.
A couple I worked with were in a head on car crash and were off work for months recovering. When I chatted to them when they returned to work, I asked what it was like. They both said it was very strange and said they weren't 'there' at the point of impact, they knew the crash couldn't be avoided but they were above the two cars watching the crash happen and watching themselves be thrown about. They then don't recall anything else until they woke up in hospital. All of us were puzzled by it and had no answers. Then, perhaps from the 90s onwards, people did come forward with similar incidents.

NDE's are interesting, but they don't seem to be paranormal. People don't come back with information they couldn't otherwise obtain, or with surprising religious experiences. They have NDE's everywhere, and in India, for instance, people often have experiences confirming their Hindu beliefs.

This is how I interpret it....
agnostic meaning(s)

(n) a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist)
(adj) uncertain of all claims to knowledge
(n) someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something
(adj) of or pertaining to an agnostic or agnosticism

Perhaps I'm an agnatheist LOL
And ShellB, yes I've had such dreams and that's what they are, just dreams. The few I am discussing are different. There is a clicking sound at the start, they are brightly lit and you know they are a message. They are then 'imprinted' on the mind/memory forever.

(June 21, 2012 at 1:02 pm)average Wrote: I was once an ardent atheist too

I don't believe. Your posts suggest you are very credulous and do not grasp the concepts of 'proof' or 'scientific method'.

It's like talking to a shrub.