Did my imploding homework just for fr0d0:

(July 12, 2010 at 5:31 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Did my imploding homework just for fr0d0:

Is that a dool?

Okay then, here is my opinion about your answer... But first let me tell you something, your answer was a lousy one and you can't convert 6 years old child with that answer..

Quote:1. I believe because I accept what is presented in the bible to be true and I act on that.

But why do you accept it as a truth? What makes you think so? who wrote bible? jesus?? No. How do you know that these people were reliable? Maybe they just wrote bible to control people. And maybe its just lucifer's work.. (and you know with that book christians killed a lot of innocent people) how could you know???

Quote:2. God isn't an ass when you look at the evidence presented in the bible accurately.

really? what about book of job? or noah's ark? or Destruction of that corrupt city which i dont remember its name. you can always say that they are just metaphors. But even if it is, tell me what they can possibly tell us ?(my answer is; god is a dick..)

Happy now? are you going to answer my question? I feel like you are intentionally avoiding to answer..
I assume your god and jesus as real in this argument and I am curious about how do you know bible is god's real words?? Again Im telling you, right now I am not questioning your god or jesus. Just questioning your book.

You asked a lot of questions annatar, and I didn't attempt to convert you, just explain why I believe.. which is what you asked.

But why do you accept it as a truth?
Because I can work it out

What makes you think so?
It's self evident

who wrote bible? jesus?? No.
People did

How do you know that these people were reliable?
Because what they say works out logically, and has successfully lasted two millennia against scrutiny.

Maybe they just wrote bible to control people. And maybe its just lucifer's work.. (and you know with that book christians killed a lot of innocent people) how could you know???
People did and do use it to control people. That's just people. It's plainly not in the original text.

Quote:2. God isn't an ass when you look at the evidence presented in the bible accurately.

really? what about book of job?
The righteous should be favoured? Illogical.

or noah's ark?
Cleansing shouldn't fail?

or Destruction of that corrupt city which i dont remember its name.
God is just. Period.

you can always say that they are just metaphors. But even if it is, tell me what they can possibly tell us ?(my answer is; god is a dick..)
It is very clear what they tell us. You choose a foolish position, that's up to you.

Happy now?
No where near.

are you going to answer my question?
Which question would that be??

I feel like you are intentionally avoiding to answer..
I answered two of your points directly. After encouragement you responded. Please tell me what you want answering.

I assume your god and jesus as real in this argument and I am curious about how do you know bible is god's real words??
I cannot know... that's the point of Christianity. Like I said above... I accept it to be true and act on that. And what is promised acts out in real life. It isn't a lie... it works out as it says it does.

Again Im telling you, right now I am not questioning your god or jesus. Just questioning your book.
So far the book stands against all challenges.

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But why do you accept it as a truth?
Because I can work it out

What makes you think so?
It's self evident


Just another form of circular logic...
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How do you know that these people were reliable?
Because what they say works out logically, and has successfully lasted two millennia against scrutiny.

so is buddhism or islam. what is the difference?
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who wrote bible? jesus?? No.
People did


Maybe they just wrote bible to control people. And maybe its just lucifer's work.. (and you know with that book christians killed a lot of innocent people) how could you know???
People did and do use it to control people. That's just people. It's plainly not in the original text.

and same people wrote that bible of yours as you answered above..
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really? what about book of job?
The righteous should be favoured? Illogical.
in this case god punishes the righteous one with no reason. thats really illogical...
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or noah's ark?
Cleansing shouldn't fail?
well i didn't understand what do you mean by that.
but killing every soul (including babies and animals) its just could be a work of an asshole..
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or Destruction of that corrupt city which i dont remember its name.
God is just. Period.

so this is your concept of justice? kill everyone for being gay etc. again babies and animals?? God's favourite solution is destruction. no wonder people invented nuclear bombs they are just following the footsteps of their creator..
with this point of view 9/11 is too act of justice to some... your god could be a friend of usama bin laden. thats right! period.
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you can always say that they are just metaphors. But even if it is, tell me what they can possibly tell us ?(my answer is; god is a dick..)
It is very clear what they tell us. You choose a foolish position, that's up to you.

yes it is very clear.
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Again Im telling you, right now I am not questioning your god or jesus. Just questioning your book.
So far the book stands against all challenges.

dude your book is falling apart. not reliable, full of stupid ideas, makes people kill each other, obviously most of the ideas stolen from other religions etc etc..
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Happy now?
No where near.
You are not happy becouse deep down you know how poor your reasons are. And you fill in your doubts with blind faith..

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But why do you accept it as a truth?
Because I can work it out

What makes you think so?
It's self evident


Just another form of circular logic...
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That's a cop out answer ignoring what I actually said : The bible is logically coherent, this is self evident.

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How do you know that these people were reliable?
Because what they say works out logically, and has successfully lasted two millennia against scrutiny.

so is buddhism or islam. what is the difference?
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I don't think the other two work out logically. Allah isn't God - he's some inferior god who contradicts his own existence. Christianity, with the element of forgiveness, trumps all other faiths.

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who wrote bible? jesus?? No.
People did


Maybe they just wrote bible to control people. And maybe its just lucifer's work.. (and you know with that book christians killed a lot of innocent people) how could you know???
People did and do use it to control people. That's just people. It's plainly not in the original text.

and same people wrote that bible of yours as you answered above..
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Not all people do bad things, and the bible is clearly authored to have a positive message.

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really? what about book of job?
The righteous should be favoured? Illogical.
in this case god punishes the righteous one with no reason. thats really illogical...
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The point is that being good doesn't get you favour. The message is absolutely logical. It's a message about reality and how things are. Nature works out, and this is one way it does. You're pleading to the fantasy of human comfort over nature.

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or noah's ark?
Cleansing shouldn't fail?
well i didn't understand what do you mean by that.
but killing every soul (including babies and animals) its just could be a work of an asshole..
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The point of the story is that people were living unhealthily and the solution of reversing that was by force. By using forgiveness in the form of Christ this is unnecessary. The detail is an exciting story using mass destruction and genocide... it's a story telling mechanism.

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or Destruction of that corrupt city which i dont remember its name.
God is just. Period.

so this is your concept of justice? kill everyone for being gay etc. again babies and animals?? God's favourite solution is destruction. no wonder people invented nuclear bombs they are just following the footsteps of their creator..
with this point of view 9/11 is too act of justice to some... your god could be a friend of usama bin laden. thats right! period.
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God doesn't kill people for being gay.

Only God is just. No one else can know enough to be.

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Again Im telling you, right now I am not questioning your god or jesus. Just questioning your book.
So far the book stands against all challenges.

dude your book is falling apart. not reliable, full of stupid ideas, makes people kill each other, obviously most of the ideas stolen from other religions etc etc..
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Yeah yeah blah blah blah. Give me something at least original to work with and don't regurgitate stuff demonstrating you can't think for yourself.

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Happy now?
No where near.
You are not happy becouse deep down you know how poor your reasons are. And you fill in your doubts with blind faith..
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I'm quite happy with my own reasoning. I constantly test it and find it to hold true. Faith is necessary for my belief, sure. You don't seem to understand what faith is. Here's an explanation from another forum member :

Arcanus Wrote:What is Faith:
Being persuaded and fully committed in trust, involving a confident belief in the truth, value, and trustworthiness of God. When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.

(July 13, 2010 at 3:31 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Christianity, with the element of forgiveness, trumps all other faiths.

Excuse me one moment...



Forgiveness as a concept isn't limited to Christianity! Christianity doesn't have a monopoly over "forgiveness"!!

So let me get this straight, with it's non-unique concept that can apply to people who don't follow Christianity too, Christianity therby "trumps all other faiths"? LMAO.

Forgiveness plays an important part in the values I subjectively hold dear too... and I'm an atheist.

EvF

(July 12, 2010 at 6:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You asked a lot of questions annatar, and I didn't attempt to convert you, just explain why I believe.. which is what you asked.

But why do you accept it as a truth?
Because I can work it out

What makes you think so?
It's self evident

That's Circular logic


Also the only reason the bible survived scrutiny is because they executted everyone that dared to scrutinize the bible

(July 13, 2010 at 4:51 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(July 13, 2010 at 3:31 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Christianity, with the element of forgiveness, trumps all other faiths.

Forgiveness as a concept isn't limited to Christianity! Christianity doesn't have a monopoly over "forgiveness"!!

Read it again EvF

(July 13, 2010 at 3:31 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't think the other two work out logically. Allah isn't God - he's some inferior god who contradicts his own existence. Christianity, with the element of forgiveness, trumps all other faiths.

Forgiveness huh? Total forgiveness? Nah!
Mark 3:28-30= "anyone who blasphemes the holy spirit shall never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences"
Also, God doesn't forgive you if you die and don't have your faith in Jesus Christ.

(July 13, 2010 at 3:31 am)fr0d0 Wrote: and same people wrote that bible of yours as you answered above..
Not all people do bad things, and the bible is clearly authored to have a positive message.

Of course, even if you ignore all of the negative connotations that you guys call metaphors or "out of context"

(July 13, 2010 at 3:31 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The point of the story is that people were living unhealthily and the solution of reversing that was by force. By using forgiveness in the form of Christ this is unnecessary. The detail is an exciting story using mass destruction and genocide... it's a story telling mechanism.

God forced everything not on the ark to die because he wanted to? That's not just, that's cruel to his creation. It's God's fault for giving his creations such barren landscapes.

(July 13, 2010 at 3:31 am)fr0d0 Wrote: God doesn't kill people for being gay.
Only God is just. No one else can know enough to be.

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Levictus 20:13

And God himself isn't "just" towards women:

Timothy 2:1="I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent."

How is that just? We don't find out ourselves until just recently.