(February 22, 2015 at 12:50 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Of course any theist knows the chance of converting a well adjusted and independent adult is significantly lower than converting a child. So on the off chance that a law was passed against making children go to church, the theists would flip their shit on olympic style levels.

"If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world." - Christopher Hitchens

At the very least you'd think it would be making headlines over cases of employees killing each other over what their bosses wanted them to do.

(February 22, 2015 at 12:26 pm)professor Wrote: Hi Nope, hang in there, the stuffing of the devil (with the AC and his False Prophet to be) is dead ahead.
He was given a span of time to operate and the sands are running down in the hourglass.

I'll give you points for not offering an exact date this time.

(February 22, 2015 at 3:19 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(February 21, 2015 at 8:36 pm)professor Wrote: God saw to it that He left a "User manual" just as the company I work for has for our products.

If your company writes user manuals of that level of quality, it should be up to its eyeballs in complaints.

Right. I tried the recommended remedy for leprosy:

Quote:This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest:
And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;
Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
As for the living bird, he shall take it , and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:
And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.
And he that is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean: and after that he shall come into the camp, and shall tarry abroad out of his tent seven days.
But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.

and to my surprise, it didn't work. Do you have a customer services number I can contact?

(February 22, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Nope Wrote:

(February 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Nestor Wrote: Dum dum dum dum dum!

Huggy, please provide proof that three represents perfection. What do you mean by perfection?

Apparently you guys never learned that numbers in the Bible represent something, the most common number is 7 which represents completion.

The other numbers commonly used in the Bible are 3, 5, 8, 12, 40.

Things are perfected in 3's hence 3 being the number of perfection.

Water/Blood/Holy spirit
Body/Soul/Spirit
Father/Son/Holy Spirit
Thought/Word/Deed
Past/Present/Future
Height/Width/Depth
Solid/Liquid/Gas

Quote:1 John 5
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one

Just out of curiosity, Huggy. Are you going to answer my knuckleheaded questions?

(February 22, 2015 at 11:57 am)Norman Humann Wrote:

(February 22, 2015 at 11:55 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You are baptized when you are old enough to make the decision, babies aren't able to make that choice. You cant find anywhere, in the Bible requiring babies to be baptized.

Still doesn't answer my question. What sin has an infant committed?

Whether the scripture speaks about baptising infants is also irrelevant. They are being baptised. Half of all Christians are catholics, which means they were most likely baptised as infants.

(February 22, 2015 at 11:31 am)Huggy74 Wrote: They aren't claims, if you would like the scriptures to accompany what I said, I am happy to oblige.

They aren't? What would you call them, then?

Huggy, I am an atheist so I don't believe in the bible. . Could you provide some nonbiblical proof about the number three's perfection using nature?

(February 22, 2015 at 11:57 am)Norman Humann Wrote: Still doesn't answer my question. What sin has an infant committed?

Whether the scripture speaks about baptising infants is also irrelevant.

I did answer your question, The Bible does not state anywhere where babies are to be baptized, this IS relevant, seeing how our doctrine comes from the scripture.

What sin have they committed? none, that isn't the problem though, eventually they will sin. Does a child have to be taught to lie? Once a child is able to fully understand right and wrong is when they are old enough to be baptized.

Quote:Matthew 18
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

(February 22, 2015 at 11:57 am)Norman Humann Wrote: They are being baptised. Half of all Christians are catholics, which means they were most likely baptised as infants.

hate to break it to you, I'm not Catholic, and also Catholics have thier own convoluted version of the bible, in which they've added something like 7-14 (depending on version) extra books.

(February 22, 2015 at 11:57 am)Norman Humann Wrote: They aren't? What would you call them, then?

When you ask someone what their "beliefs" are and they answer you, that exactly what it is, an answer.

(February 22, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: What sin have they committed? none, that isn't the problem though, eventually they will sin. Does a child have to be taught to lie? Once a child is able to fully understand right and wrong is when they are old enough to be baptized.

But they are baptised as children, because if they weren't, they wouldn't be religious in the first place. Religion comes from indoctrination.

(February 22, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: When you ask someone what their "beliefs" are and they answer you, that exactly what it is, an answer.

So the statements you've made are not claims? Do I really have to include a dictionary definition?

claim
noun

: a statement saying that something happened a certain way or will happen a certain way
: a statement saying that something is true when some people may say it is not true
: an official request for something (such as money) that is owed to you or that you believe is owed to you
: a right to have something

From Merriam-Webster.

Eventually a child will sin.

Sounds like an admission that the game is rigged.