(July 14, 2015 at 2:29 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 2:02 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Not really, the two 3d shapes have very distinct differences. It's not a play on words.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spheroid

Oblate and prolate.

Most bird eggs have an oval shape, with one end rounded and the other more pointed. This shape results from the egg being forced through the oviduct. Muscles contract the oviduct behind the egg, pushing it forward. The egg's wall is still malleable. So it is all about pressure on the eggs surface that give it that shape.

So it is an outside pressure hence crushing pressure till it gets that shape.

Hope that was helpful.

Planets do not take an 'egg shaped' form. Hope that was equally helpful.

(July 14, 2015 at 2:34 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 2:29 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Most bird eggs have an oval shape, with one end rounded and the other more pointed. This shape results from the egg being forced through the oviduct. Muscles contract the oviduct behind the egg, pushing it forward. The egg's wall is still malleable. So it is all about pressure on the eggs surface that give it that shape.

So it is an outside pressure hence crushing pressure till it gets that shape.

Hope that was helpful.

Planets do not take an 'egg shaped' form. Hope that was equally helpful.

Now you're being boring saying facts without proof just saying somthing doesn't make it true , I never said that planets have an egg form I only said earth had been created like and insist on the word like an egg in shape that is seen when you look at pictures with your own eyes.

This fact was in a book in an era people believed that earth was flat admit that is an amazing thing and stop being stubborn.

And the verse says earth not planets read before you jump to conclusions.

(July 14, 2015 at 3:46 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 2:34 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Planets do not take an 'egg shaped' form. Hope that was equally helpful.

Now you're being boring saying facts without proof just saying somthing doesn't make it true , I never said that planets have an egg form I only said earth had been created like and insist on the word like an egg in shape that is seen when you look at pictures with your own eyes.

This fact was in a book in an era people believed that earth was flat admit that is an amazing thing and stop being stubborn.

And the verse says earth not planets read before you jump to conclusions.

Now you're just being willfully ignorant. Most planets are oblate spheroid, none are egg shaped - that would defy known laws of physics. The Earth does not look like an egg. Your book is as ignorant to modern astrophysics as are it's deluded followers.

(July 14, 2015 at 4:50 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 3:46 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Now you're being boring saying facts without proof just saying somthing doesn't make it true , I never said that planets have an egg form I only said earth had been created like and insist on the word like an egg in shape that is seen when you look at pictures with your own eyes.

This fact was in a book in an era people believed that earth was flat admit that is an amazing thing and stop being stubborn.

And the verse says earth not planets read before you jump to conclusions.

Now you're just being willfully ignorant. Most planets are oblate spheroid, none are egg shaped - that would defy known laws of physics. The Earth does not look like an egg. Your book is as ignorant to modern astrophysics as are it's deluded followers.

Said enough in this matter keep repeating myself and you yourself isn't a debate.

But saying that someone is ignorant because he doesn't believe what you believe is the ignorance itself.

I think that I haven't been acting like an ignorant and it is just meaningless to call me one just because you don't like my point of view.

(July 14, 2015 at 5:10 pm)huss88ein Wrote: I think that I haven't been acting like an ignorant and it is just meaningless to call me one just because you don't like my point of view.

No, I called you ignorant (as I call a few christians here) because you don't register replies given to you. You either skip past them, quote scripture, plead persecution, repeat your factually incorrect opinion or steer wildly off on a tangent.

Anyway, let's change the subject. Tell me the story about Mohammed slicing the (spheroidal) moon in half with his bare hands - one of my favourites.

(July 14, 2015 at 5:38 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 5:10 pm)huss88ein Wrote: I think that I haven't been acting like an ignorant and it is just meaningless to call me one just because you don't like my point of view.

No, I called you ignorant (as I call a few christians here) because you don't register replies given to you. You either skip past them, quote scripture, plead persecution, repeat your factually incorrect opinion or steer wildly off on a tangent.

Never did and your debates with others dont apply here never left unanswered post except when they are silly and meaningless or just curses thats the truth or show me anyone's post with significant value I didn't attend to.

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(July 14, 2015 at 5:45 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Anyway, let's change the subject. Tell me the story about Mohammed slicing the (spheroidal) moon in half with his bare hands - one of my favourites.

According to what you're implying here you know all about and it is irrelevant here cause the idea here is to discuss facts not miracles .

Take like this my friend if a relegion is 80 % logic and 20% supernatural then you discuss the 80% and then the other part will follow from that initial belief.

I hate to break it to you @OP but... islam just piggy backs off of actual science just to stay relevant.
Because last time i checked i looked outside at the moon and it was fine and not cut in half.

(July 14, 2015 at 5:57 pm)huss88ein Wrote: According to what you're implying here you know all about and it is irrelevant here cause the idea here is to discuss facts not miracles .

Take like this my friend if a relegion is 80 % logic and 20% supernatural then you discuss the 80% and then the other part will follow from that initial belief.

Very well.
Everything anyone may claim to be scientific in the qur'an, was already known at the time, or was wildly guessed and, by some stroke of luck, a few things do turn out to be as described.

And no, poetry and stylistic devices which have multiple possible interpretations are not in any way science, nor can they describe scientific facts.

Enjoy your reading on the single topic of embryology... and other medical fields:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

Quote:According to Muslim historians, especially Ibn Abi Usaybia and al-Qifti [37], the most celebrated early graduate of Jundishapur was a doctor named al Harith Ibn Kalada, who was an older contemporary of Muhammed. "He was born probably about the middle of the sixth century, at Ta'if, in the tribe of Banu Thaqif. He traveled through Yemen and then Persia where he received his education in the medical sciences at the great medical school of Jundi-Shapur and thus was intimately acquainted with the medical teachings of Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen." [38]

He became famous partly as a result of a consultation with King Chosroes [39]. Later he became a companion of the Prophet Muhammed himself, and according to the Muslim medical traditions Muhammed actually sought medical advice from him [40]. He may even have been a relative of the Prophet and his "teachings undoubtedly influenced the latter" [i.e., Muhammed] [41]. "Such medical knowledge as Muhammed possessed, he may well have acquired from Haris bin Kalda [sic], an Arab, who is said to have left the desert for a while and gone to Jundi Shapur to study medicine...On his return Haris settled in Mecca and became the foremost physician of the Arabs of the desert. Whether he ever embraced Islam is uncertain, but this did not prevent the Prophet from sending his sick friends to consult him." [42]

(July 14, 2015 at 6:39 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 5:57 pm)huss88ein Wrote: According to what you're implying here you know all about and it is irrelevant here cause the idea here is to discuss facts not miracles .

Take like this my friend if a relegion is 80 % logic and 20% supernatural then you discuss the 80% and then the other part will follow from that initial belief.

Very well.
Everything anyone may claim to be scientific in the qur'an, was already known at the time, or was wildly guessed and, by some stroke of luck, a few things do turn out to be as described.

And no, poetry and stylistic devices which have multiple possible interpretations are not in any way science, nor can they describe scientific facts.

Enjoy your reading on the single topic of embryology... and other medical fields:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sci...mbryo.html

Quote:According to Muslim historians, especially Ibn Abi Usaybia and al-Qifti [37], the most celebrated early graduate of Jundishapur was a doctor named al Harith Ibn Kalada, who was an older contemporary of Muhammed. "He was born probably about the middle of the sixth century, at Ta'if, in the tribe of Banu Thaqif. He traveled through Yemen and then Persia where he received his education in the medical sciences at the great medical school of Jundi-Shapur and thus was intimately acquainted with the medical teachings of Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen." [38]

He became famous partly as a result of a consultation with King Chosroes [39]. Later he became a companion of the Prophet Muhammed himself, and according to the Muslim medical traditions Muhammed actually sought medical advice from him [40]. He may even have been a relative of the Prophet and his "teachings undoubtedly influenced the latter" [i.e., Muhammed] [41]. "Such medical knowledge as Muhammed possessed, he may well have acquired from Haris bin Kalda [sic], an Arab, who is said to have left the desert for a while and gone to Jundi Shapur to study medicine...On his return Haris settled in Mecca and became the foremost physician of the Arabs of the desert. Whether he ever embraced Islam is uncertain, but this did not prevent the Prophet from sending his sick friends to consult him." [42]

According to hippocrate the embryo is the combination of sperm and menstrual blood and according to Galen
it was only the sperm responsible .
But in islam it was well described as a combination from women and man so who's more accurate?????????
It is even forbidden in islam to have sex during menstrual period so who according to u knew the truth

I'm just saying you're referring to any knowledge the muslims knew from quran as a rip off so mohammad(pbuh ) is every scientist there is and a great leader an a politician and a poet.......etc
For me it is obsurd for a one man to be all of these things it is easier to call him a prophet .
U must also know that mohammad(pbuh) was also a leader in ethics what kind of a man would be that convencing to be a prophet than a real one just saying.

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As for Ibn abu usaibah he was born years after mohammad(pbuh)
This is from Wikipedia look at the dates


Ibn Abi Usaibia

 (1203-1270) (Arabic:ابن أبي أصيبعة موفق الدين أبو العباس أحمد بن القاسم بن خليفة الشعري الخزرجي‎, Ibn Abī Uṣaybiʿa Muʾaffaq al-Dīn Abū al-ʿAbbās Aḥmad Ibn Al-Qāsim Ibn Khalīfa al-Khazrajī), an Arab physician and historian, was born at Damascus, a descendant of the Banu Khazraj tribe and the son of an oculist, and studied medicine at Damascus and Cairo. In 1236 he was appointed physician to a new hospital in Cairo, but he surrendered the appointment the following year to take up a post given him by the amir of Damascus in Salkhad near that city. There he lived and died.

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So this muslim doctor came years after bin kalda and the prophet(pbuh ) for more about bin kalda you can read this below that this man's existence is even questioned

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/q-a/was-al-...knowledge/

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The idea here is don't base your argue on assumptions base it on facts