A heart only pumps blood around the body. It does nothing related to thinking. Even if we take your interpretation, and yes, the Tafsir would seem to agree with you because I checked, the verse is still wrong. I don't get why people assign special properties to the heart. Please, go and read a book on human biology.

So in regard to 25:53, the OP thinks they know better than Abdullah Yusuf Ali, translator of the most popular English language Quran, a Quran translation endorsed by Saudi Arabia. Yet the OP claims not to be arrogant. Why does the OP think they know better than the greatest translator of the Quran into Englis

In regard to it being seas, it doesn't matter. Fresh water still mixes with salt water regardless of how big or small the body of water is. Notice what the OP is claiming here: Water in large bodies functions differently from water in small bodies because Quran verse, according to the OP, apparently refers to only "large bodies of water", Bahrains. They also claimed that a rain cloud (which is in the example I used) is not a large body of water - even though a rain cloud has to be large in order for it to rain.

(July 14, 2015 at 2:57 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:

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(July 13, 2015 at 5:47 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words,  and in this hadeeth you will see that clearly

 came to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."

a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.


Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words,
Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words, and this hadeeth shows it clearly

 from wabsa bin mouabad that hecame to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."

a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.
So heart here means mind not heart literally.

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A heart only pumps blood around the body. It does nothing related to thinking. Even if we take your interpretation, and yes, the Tafsir would seem to agree with you because I checked, the verse is still wrong. I don't get why people assign special properties to the heart. Please, go and read a book on human biology.

So in regard to 25:53, the OP thinks they know better than Abdullah Yusuf Ali, translator of the most popular English language Quran, a Quran translation endorsed by Saudi Arabia. Yet the OP claims not to be arrogant. Why does the OP think they know better than the greatest translator of the Quran into Englis

In regard to it being seas, it doesn't matter. Fresh water still mixes with salt water regardless of how big or small the body of water is. Notice what the OP is claiming here: Water in large bodies functions differently from water in small bodies because Quran verse, according to the OP, apparently refers to only "large bodies of water", Bahrains. They also claimed that a rain cloud (which is in the example I used) is not a large body of water - even though a rain cloud has to be large in order for it to rain.

You poor soul advising me to read more books while you dont even know common terms even in the english language the heart is used to refer to certain qualities sure old arabs never thought that the thinking comes from the heart it would be obsurd to assume that , an advice if you don't know something about a language ask someone who knows.

As for the body thingy you have realy a bad way for understanding things it does 100% means seas not bodies ask any arab christian,muslim or athiest they will confirm.

(July 14, 2015 at 2:57 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:

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(July 13, 2015 at 5:47 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words,  and in this hadeeth you will see that clearly

 came to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."

a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.


Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words,
Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words, and this hadeeth shows it clearly

 from wabsa bin mouabad that hecame to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."

a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.
So heart here means mind not heart literally.

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A heart only pumps blood around the body. It does nothing related to thinking. Even if we take your interpretation, and yes, the Tafsir would seem to agree with you because I checked, the verse is still wrong. I don't get why people assign special properties to the heart. Please, go and read a book on human biology.

So in regard to 25:53, the OP thinks they know better than Abdullah Yusuf Ali, translator of the most popular English language Quran, a Quran translation endorsed by Saudi Arabia. Yet the OP claims not to be arrogant. Why does the OP think they know better than the greatest translator of the Quran into Englis

In regard to it being seas, it doesn't matter. Fresh water still mixes with salt water regardless of how big or small the body of water is. Notice what the OP is claiming here: Water in large bodies functions differently from water in small bodies because Quran verse, according to the OP, apparently refers to only "large bodies of water", Bahrains. They also claimed that a rain cloud (which is in the example I used) is not a large body of water - even though a rain cloud has to be large in order for it to rain.

You poor soul advising me to read more books while you dont even know common terms even in the english language the heart is used to refer to certain qualities sure old arabs never thought that the thinking comes from the heart it would be obsurd to assume that , an advice if you don't know something about a language ask someone who knows.

As for the body thingy you have realy a bad way for understanding things it does 100% means seas not bodies ask any arab christian,muslim or athiest they will confirm.

As for sea

(July 14, 2015 at 2:57 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:

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(July 13, 2015 at 5:47 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words,  and in this hadeeth you will see that clearly

 came to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."

a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.


Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words,
Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran

This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words, and this hadeeth shows it clearly

 from wabsa bin mouabad that hecame to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."

a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.
So heart here means mind not heart literally.

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A heart only pumps blood around the body. It does nothing related to thinking. Even if we take your interpretation, and yes, the Tafsir would seem to agree with you because I checked, the verse is still wrong. I don't get why people assign special properties to the heart. Please, go and read a book on human biology.

So in regard to 25:53, the OP thinks they know better than Abdullah Yusuf Ali, translator of the most popular English language Quran, a Quran translation endorsed by Saudi Arabia. Yet the OP claims not to be arrogant. Why does the OP think they know better than the greatest translator of the Quran into Englis

In regard to it being seas, it doesn't matter. Fresh water still mixes with salt water regardless of how big or small the body of water is. Notice what the OP is claiming here: Water in large bodies functions differently from water in small bodies because Quran verse, according to the OP, apparently refers to only "large bodies of water", Bahrains. They also claimed that a rain cloud (which is in the example I used) is not a large body of water - even though a rain cloud has to be large in order for it to rain.

You poor soul advising me to read more books while you dont even know common terms even in the english language the heart is used to refer to certain qualities sure old arabs never thought that the thinking comes from the heart it would be obsurd to assume that , an advice if you don't know something about a language ask someone who knows.

As for the body thingy you have realy a bad way for understanding things it does 100% means seas not bodies ask any arab christian,muslim or athiest they will confirm.

As for sea being salty water that is in english not in arabic this is the definition of " bahar " in arabic on wikipedia
https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B1
If you cant understand arabic you can translate it.

(July 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Oh you got me there
Just kidding
Look at this picture



doesn't look like earth to you it sure does to me

And before you post any more criticism remember that quran says dahaha it is a verb not a noun as in made look like an ostrich egg

Isn't it better for you to see with your own eyes than quoting other people just saying.

The point is that no matter what way you turn an egg it's always round and oval in the opposite direction to the earth. If you were to draw the circumference of that egg on a sheet of paper around its widest points it would be an oval (or an oval that is slightly skewed one way), yet if you do the same thing to the earth it's a circle, not an oval. You only get an oval by going pole-to-pole which is the narrowest point of circumference. They're exact opposites.

To explain in a more visual way - Eggs are spheres that have been stretched out, whereas the Earth is a sphere that has been squashed.

(July 13, 2015 at 9:37 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, the world is a misshapen, boiled egg?

Explains why so many religions are poached...

Get out.

Seeing as the OP seems to have wriggled out of my first attack, let's try questioning the historical accuracy of the Quran. I have two verses which on the face of it appear to contradict the history of Mecca.
Quran 2:127 and Quran 3:96 assert that Mecca is the old settlement (and place of worship) on Earth. How can it be reliably demonstrated that Mecca is as old as the Quran claims (as old as Abraham) and that people have gone there since the time of Abraham and up to the time of Muhammad?

2:127 "And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing."

3:96 "The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:"

I cannot find any evidence that the city of Mecca is as old as the Quran claims. Heck, I cannot find any evidence for the Abraham of the Quran either. Why would anyone go to the middle of nowhere all the way up from Israel?

AHAHAHA, the real deal.... you wish...
Really, you wish.. it's all wishful thinking.
I'll just copy in here what I wrote to a christian this morning:

me Wrote:Still, for the relevance it supposedly has, Id' expect a good, caring, powerful god to show people that it's there.
People of every generation (throughout the ages) and every geographical location should be made equally aware of this god.
Unfortunately, reality paints a picture of a very localized (both in time and space) deity. A great hint that it is far from divine, and closer to man-made.

(July 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm)huss88ein Wrote: There are many scintific facts in quran that would proof to any one that quran is the word of god and god exists one .
one of them is the embryology of humans who drove many doctors to believe that quran is indeed the word of god.
Ready to answer any questions

I've got a textbook full of scientific facts. Is it also the word of God?

(July 14, 2015 at 7:31 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Seeing as the OP seems to have wriggled out of my first attack, let's try questioning the historical accuracy of the Quran. I have two verses which on the face of it appear to contradict the history of Mecca.
Quran 2:127 and Quran 3:96 assert that Mecca is the old settlement (and place of worship) on Earth. How can it be reliably demonstrated that Mecca is as old as the Quran claims (as old as Abraham) and that people have gone there since the time of Abraham and up to the time of Muhammad?

2:127 "And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing."

3:96 "The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:"

I cannot find any evidence that the city of Mecca is as old as the Quran claims. Heck, I cannot find any evidence for the Abraham of the Quran either. Why would anyone go to the middle of nowhere all the way up from Israel?

First using the word wriggled is not fair at least admit that I have cleared some miss understood thinga that were going in your mind.

As for Abraham(pbuh) again miss understandings first he was from Iraq not Palestine and it can't be called Israel because Israel is Jacobs nickname his son so it is not logical to call a place by someone's name and that one has not existed yet see the controversy.

As for mecca being that old well why not that's not a well based argue just like saying china hasn't exited because I never been there .

As for historical facts in quran if you read it you will see that it is the only book holy or not that has mentioned the rulers of Egypt by two names according to history changes you can see the name king at Josephs time and Pharoah at moses time you can look it up if you want.

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(July 14, 2015 at 4:55 am)Aractus Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Oh you got me there
Just kidding
Look at this picture



doesn't look like earth to you it sure does to me

And before you post any more criticism remember that quran says dahaha it is a verb not a noun as in made look like an ostrich egg

Isn't it better for you to see with your own eyes than quoting other people just saying.

The point is that no matter what way you turn an egg it's always round and oval in the opposite direction to the earth. If you were to draw the circumference of that egg on a sheet of paper around its widest points it would be an oval (or an oval that is slightly skewed one way), yet if you do the same thing to the earth it's a circle, not an oval. You only get an oval by going pole-to-pole which is the narrowest point of circumference. They're exact opposites.

To explain in a more visual way - Eggs are spheres that have been stretched out, whereas the Earth is a sphere that has been squashed.

My dear friend you're an intelligent man I have to admit but imagine if someone took your words that you used here such as drawing around the earth in a sheet and said look how stupid this guy is , putting the earth on a sheet ahhhh.

Then you will say I was speaking in a likenings and comparasions I never claimed that we can do that literally so as I already explaind god made earth look like an egg not an egg!!!

As for the two words stretched an crushed you can go from one to another I mean crushing something will make it longer and stretching something will put the same pressure on the middle section so thats just playing with words fom my understanding but that's not the point the point I already made above.

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(July 14, 2015 at 9:43 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm)huss88ein Wrote: There are many scintific facts in quran that would proof to any one that quran is the word of god and god exists one .
one of them is the embryology of humans who drove many doctors to believe that quran is indeed the word of god.
Ready to answer any questions

I've got a textbook full of scientific facts. Is it also the word of God?

Am I supposed to laugh here , you're missing the whole point read the discussion and you will see that I have insisted that quran is not a science book lol.

(July 14, 2015 at 1:18 pm)huss88ein Wrote: As for the two words stretched an crushed you can go from one to another I mean crushing something will make it longer and stretching something will put the same pressure on the middle section so thats just playing with words fom my understanding but that's not the point the point I already made above.

Not really, the two 3d shapes have very distinct differences. It's not a play on words.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spheroid

Oblate and prolate.

(July 14, 2015 at 2:02 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 1:18 pm)huss88ein Wrote: As for the two words stretched an crushed you can go from one to another I mean crushing something will make it longer and stretching something will put the same pressure on the middle section so thats just playing with words fom my understanding but that's not the point the point I already made above.

Not really, the two 3d shapes have very distinct differences. It's not a play on words.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spheroid

Oblate and prolate.

Most bird eggs have an oval shape, with one end rounded and the other more pointed. This shape results from the egg being forced through the oviduct. Muscles contract the oviduct behind the egg, pushing it forward. The egg's wall is still malleable. So it is all about pressure on the eggs surface that give it that shape.

So it is an outside pressure hence crushing pressure till it gets that shape.

Hope that was helpful.