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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 12:30 am
(November 6, 2017 at 9:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You know, you don't have to get into bed with an eel to get fiscal responsibility and small government in the US. I know it probably seems like that because the eels just keep wining, but it isn;t on account of them delivering small government or fiscal responsibility.
That's an interesting comment. Practically, how would you propose getting fiscal responsibility and small government in the US?
Quote:This...though...
Quote:non-corrupt politicians who actually share your views are pretty much a fantasy.
Nah, it's just that they don't win. I cast my vote when I find them, and I may as well burn the ballot for all the good it does, lol.
Well, I actually have one spectacularly flukey success story here, which was the first election I was old enough to vote in. I voted for the freaking Green party - a throwaway vote- and through something of a statistical fluke we won a balance of power! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Co...tion,_2017
It doesn't get much better than that in my books 
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 12:45 am
(November 7, 2017 at 12:30 am)shadow Wrote: That's an interesting comment. Practically, how would you propose getting fiscal responsibility and small government in the US? Its pretty easy....the left and the right have ambulated to the right.
Quote:Well, I actually have one spectacularly flukey success story here, which was the first election I was old enough to vote in. I voted for the freaking Green party - a throwaway vote- and through something of a statistical fluke we won a balance of power! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Co...tion,_2017
It doesn't get much better than that in my books
Doesn't work that way here.
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 1:03 am
(November 7, 2017 at 12:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 12:30 am)shadow Wrote: That's an interesting comment. Practically, how would you propose getting fiscal responsibility and small government in the US? Its pretty easy....the left and the right have ambulated to the right.
Okay... but how do you go about fixing that?
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 1:09 am
Who says it can be fixed?
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 1:37 am
(November 7, 2017 at 1:09 am)Minimalist Wrote: Who says it can be fixed?
Either you fix it or you accept a screwed up democracy is inevitable and work within it. I'm for either, but the latter seems more feasible. That's sort of what I'm getting at here.
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 5:49 am
(November 6, 2017 at 7:40 pm)shadow Wrote: (November 6, 2017 at 6:29 pm)Wololo Wrote: Why, he couldn't run a lemon juice stall if you gave him the ownership of all the lemons in the world and a $1tn seed capital, he's that dumb.
What was his plan for being president, getting rid of government and letting the rich lord over the rest of us as their slaves? Yeah like that'd work, for about five minutes.
What specifically do you think would the problem with eliminating government? What comes to mind for me, in broad terms, is
I don't have to think, I simply have to look at history and the many libertarian foms of goverment found there. The Roman republic and empire were both libertarian and many people died because of shoddy building practises a lack of safety standards at work and poor quality of food preparation, many magnitudes greater in Rome alone than the empire killed in war. Britain before 1850 was the same way, only abandoning libertarianism when the threat of revolution became too immediate to ignore.
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 11:28 am
There are only two ways to fix it. Either we need a much smarter electorate or we need to get the money out of politics.
Both of those goals seem unobtainable at the moment.
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 11:51 am
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If the amount of "free speech" that moneyed interests dump into politics were taken and dumped into our schools...we'd have both birds dead with one stone.
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 12:01 pm
But that doesn't serve their interests. As George Carlin pointed out years ago.
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RE: I'm Sure He Had A Good Reason.
November 7, 2017 at 12:13 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 11:28 am)Minimalist Wrote: There are only two ways to fix it. Either we need a much smarter electorate or we need to get the money out of politics.
Both of those goals seem unobtainable at the moment.
I think the problem with a 'smarter electorate' is that even if we were all very intelligent, rational, and well educated, our society is still highly specialized. Meaning I could be the best neurologist of my time, but does that mean I know enough about foreign policy or astrophysics to make an informed assessment of a potential leader's platform in those fields? Probably not. The electorate is never going to be specialized enough in fields other than their own to be able to make the best decisions for them, and the more knowledge we get and the more specialized we become, the more our common politics will diverge from utilizing all available knowledge in decision making. It becomes a game of opinions and guesswork for about 95% of the issues facing a country.
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