Pence VS. Rippon

[vorlon13]

Keeping Donald Trump's tender ass out of the predations of Hell's horny demons otta be a pretty high priority, IF Pence actually believes.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nah.  Pence is entirely unlikely to see the donald as anything other than another one of the pawns.  There's a great piece that was done on him recently...all the way back to his college days..I'll see if I can care it up and link it for you when i;m done watching shows.

[Amarok]

Lol now roads trying to downplay his homophobe voting history .Nope unless he voices support  for gay marriage . And renounce his previous anti gay positions . It is hate . No matter how much homophobes try and weasel word it in egalitarian language . Sorry Pence is the problem and the only problem .

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As I said previously, I don't know a lot about Pence.   So I decided to check out what it is that is the bases for this claim of conversion therapy support that deserves such condemnation.

It seems that most places point to just one thing.   The following from his 2000 campaign website.


Someone wrote in to add "Indeed, promoting safer sexual behaviour is a common intervention strategy in the fight against HIV/AIDS," reader Justin Goddard of Ontario, Canada, said in an email.

People also cite Pences record of voting against "gay rights"

Now to go from this, to saying that he supports some of the horrible practices described by Dr. Fuzzy is just flat out wrong in my opinion. If there is more; that I'm missing then show me, but this appears to be going well beyond the facts to demonize someone.  Someone can believe that homosexual activity is wrong, or that we should not have re-defined marriage for homosexuals, and it's not about hate.  You don't have to agree with them, and you are free to think they are wrong.  However if this is the basis for the outrage i'm seeing... I don't think the problem is with Pence.

Your response led me to read some of Pence's legislation, and yes, most of it was craftily worded.  And his media spin people have been loudly stating that the Politifact quote above only addresses normal routes of therapy, and certainly not forced incarceration.  And his people will keep protesting, and the left will keep saying that he's a rabid homophobe.
He can easily, easily fix this.  He could do it today.  Meet with Rippon and declare on camera that he's going to support gay marriage and gay rights from this point out, and that he regrets all off the discriminatory legislation that he previously supported. Then he needs to get busy and back up his words.  Simple.

Well of course it's craftily worded rare are the days were the Republicans can just come out and bash gays like the "good old days". And yes action not words will show his real hand .Till then his action against the gay community speak for themselves .

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That’s just wrong!

No Pence's bigotry is the only thin here that's wrong . This is not a matter of disagreement . One side is openly pushing discrimination against people . That's not "just another opinion ". Nor is it some one can simply disagree with . It is hate as much hate as if Pence had ordered the recriminalization of homosexuality .

[RoadRunner79]

That’s just wrong!

It's not, though.

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You are showing your Christian privilege.

If you support the idea that some people don't deserve the same rights as you because they don't share your religious belief, there is no way you can spin that to merely a difference of opinion. The whole "redefining marriage" gambit has been debunked over and over. Marriage is a civil benefit in America. It is profoundly unconstitutional to deny that benefit to people based on the religious beliefs of some.

If you were a politician in the 1960s and were one of those clamoring that we should not 'redefine marriage' so that black and white people could freely marry, then you'd be just as susceptible to being labelled a bigot.

This idea that the principle that some people are not worthy of equal treatment is not merely a difference of opinion, it is a plague upon a civil society that must be met with the harshest of public rebuke. Mike Pence has repeatedly shown that he supports legislation that would allow for the debasement of an entire group of people based on his religious belief. That makes him a bigot, and that makes his "nice" offer of support a farce, and intolerable.

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No... I'm not debating same sex union "rights" or any of those things.  And if you want to be angry with Pence because he voted against this or that, then all the more power to ya. 

What I am talking about is the distortion of facts in this story, in an attempt to unjustly tear down another person.  To distort and mangle their position and especially their character by what is mostly in your imagination. 

I started out in this, not really knowing much of anything about Pence (other than he is VP).  I was mostly assuming that things where a little distorted and probably over dramatized but wanted to check out the facts of the matter for myself.  What I found is that what was being said was no where near anything based on the actual actions or statements of VP Pence. 

And when I brought this up, it was basically justified and I was told it was just spin and it would continue, unless he supported the homosexual agenda  NO!.... if you are intentionally spreading  false malicious information in order to malign the character of someone because you disagree with their voting record; that is not just spin.   It is wrong.  It is lying, it is slander. 

If you have a strong case, then stick to that (stay focused on the facts).  This type of behavior only hurts your position.  It's despicable to resort to it and shows a lack of character. 

Now if I misunderstood something, then please.... please correct me.  Condemn the people making false accusations, against the VP and hold them to a high standard.  If there is information I'm missing, then present it..... Not opinions or conspiracy theories that have no basis in facts, but show me the evidence.  You can still not like him, because of his stance on legislation of concern to homosexuals.  Just don't make stuff up and lose your credibility.  It gives others reason to question your motives!

[The Grand Nudger]

Pence desperately wants cock.  End of.  What does it benefit you to maintain otherwise?

[SteelCurtain]

Now if I misunderstood something, then please.... please correct me.  Condemn the people making false accusations, against the VP and hold them to a high standard.  If there is information I'm missing, then present it..... Not opinions or conspiracy theories that have no basis in facts, but show me the evidence.  You can still not like him, because of his stance on legislation of concern to homosexuals.  Just don't make stuff up and lose your credibility.  It gives others reason to question your motives!

Wait, what conspiracy theory have I thrown out?

Why do you put "rights" in scare quotes?

What false accusations have I leveled against Mike Pence?

[RoadRunner79]

Now if I misunderstood something, then please.... please correct me.  Condemn the people making false accusations, against the VP and hold them to a high standard.  If there is information I'm missing, then present it..... Not opinions or conspiracy theories that have no basis in facts, but show me the evidence.  You can still not like him, because of his stance on legislation of concern to homosexuals.  Just don't make stuff up and lose your credibility.  It gives others reason to question your motives!

Wait, what conspiracy theory have I thrown out?

Why do you put "rights" in scare quotes?

What false accusations have I leveled against Mike Pence?

Nothing was directed at you in particular. And if you honestly don’t think this applies to you... good. I hope you are in agreement that this is wrong.

[Astreja]

No... I'm not debating same sex union "rights"...

Ah, scare quotes.  I do have rights to a same-sex union if I so desire.  If you think that there is any reason to deny me or any other adult human that right, you are my enemy.  I don't fucking care about your reasons, either, be they religious doctrine or bigotry or something else.  The instant you try to push your beliefs into the realm of my rights, there will be pushback.

[SteelCurtain]

Nothing was directed at you in particular. And if you honestly don’t think this applies to you... good. I hope you are in agreement that this is wrong.

Why don't you answer the questions globally then?

What conspiracy theories are being promoted?

Why do human "rights" get scare quotes?

What false accusations are being leveled against Mike Pence?

[RoadRunner79]

Nothing was directed at you in particular. And if you honestly don’t think this applies to you... good. I hope you are in agreement that this is wrong.

Why don't you answer the questions globally then?

What conspiracy theories are being promoted?

Why do human "rights" get scare quotes?

What false accusations are being leveled against Mike Pence?

I’m not trying to debate the homosexual issue. Never mind. It seems I have my answers.