100 Facts Every Atheist Teen Must Know

[Rhizomorph13]

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What the bible says and what christians believe has long been a source of discordance Frodo. Great, anything that conflicts with reality is of course metaphoric.

So no

Creation, Exodus, (The Vast majority of the Histories) or New Testament. So god exists exactly how?

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From what I do know, and that's a strong 'know', you are incorrect. You choose to be blind on that fact, and that's up to you. You don't want that knowledge that will show you that you're wrong, I've offered > you've declined. I like you a lot, but that is willful ignorance, no less. Not a position I can respect I'm afraid.

Frodo,

You are such a great example of special pleading and you lay insults down with that smug tone you have in most of your posts. Your "knowledge" has been questioned for as long as I can remember being part of this forum and I even challenged you to PM me your reasons for believing in God and You've never provided anything at all. What you fap on about in post after post amounts to nothing more than some noodle soup concocted of dodges, trite religionisms, and smug proclaimations of "knowledge".

[thesummerqueen]

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Friendship.
Treating people with kindness and respectsets an example. Killing other people seriously hamperslong-term friendships and other relationships.
Kindness feels good.
If a god told an atheist to sacrificeher child, she would tell that god to go fuck itself with asolar-powered chain saw while standing a quarter-milefrom the Sun's searing surface. Theists would kill the kid.
Death is final.
Murder devalues human life; socially well-adjusted people value others due to empathetic responses,which are not the exclusive domain of god belief.In stark contrast, religious reasoning has justifiedmurder,torture,genocide,infanticide, andslavery. If anything, propensity forviolence increases in proportion to the fundamentalism of aperson's religious faith.

These feel more like humanist principles. It is not wise to say that atheists believe this or that, because not all atheists hold to these values.

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Pointless. Teens should be learning about sex, drugs (inc. booze), money, and their talents. Religion or the lack of it isn't about to land them any of these (unless they become a priest, then there are alter boys).

Not necessarily – it’s not a bad thing to give teens something of a resource to learn about the atheist movement without having to go to the 4 horsemen for their most readily available information.

I like it.

but than again, I'm not an atheist, so my perspective may be considered a lot less valid.

You and DeistPaladin seem to have a better grasp on principles of religion (or lack of religion) than some atheists that have been through here. I, for one, enjoy your two cents.

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The statement, “there is no god” is not closed-minded. It is simply a shorter way of saying, “there is neither empirical evidence nor any logical reason to believe any gods exist.”

Not all atheists arrive at that point through critical thinking. It’s not a bad thing to include a section about this, but make it clear that the two are not intimately intertwined. “There is no God “ is not a shorter way to express those sentiments.

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The atheist favors logicalconsistency, coherence, and observable evidence as truth; thetheist stands upon custom, faith, revelation, and intuition. Theatheist sees the world as nature presents it; the theist twists thenatural world with ideas that are inconsistent with reality.

Some atheists believe in fairies. You sound like you’re mixing skeptic and humanist movements up with atheism.

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I would put in more, but I really don’t have time to finish reading it here at work and I think it’s obvious you’ve got a lot of stuff all mixed up with each other. I think a little extra time on Wiki and a little more library research would benefit you.

Thoughts?

12 year old kids don't need to read Paine to be an atheist. They just need to be taught critical thinking skills.

Indeed. I figured it out when I was 10. The only thing that kept me quiet for so long is that I thought something was wrong with me. That’s why I think books like this are useful.

Our current culture is becoming increasingly inept at thinking outside of scientific restraints. I wonder if we could still come up with the genius of religious texts, let alone even appreciate them.

Er…wut?

Because “art” no longer exists?

Or a product of the American educational system.

The more likely scenario.

There are absolutely ways to have safe sex. Such as the time tested "sex through a sheet" method.

WTF. That is not the aspect of Judaism I meant for you to take away from our discussions!

I told you on the first page what teens are interested in.

Not fair – those weren’t the only things I was interested in as a teen. In fact, drugs weren’t even an issue.

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To be honest, the title ought to have something to do with secularism, and then you could include atheism. It's a short section.

[The Grand Nudger]

NP Bathsheba, I'll forget the sex through a sheet bit.

[thesummerqueen]

No need to hurl references, I promise it was only the moonlight.

[Violet]

Not necessarily – it’s not a bad thing to give teens something of a resource to learn about the atheist movement without having to go to the 4 horsemen for their most readily available information.

I did not say it was a bad thing... I said it was pointless.

Indeed. I figured it out when I was 10. The only thing that kept me quiet for so long is that I thought something was wrong with me. That’s why I think books like this are useful.

But not as useful as a supporting and accepting friend

Not fair – those weren’t the only things I was interested in as a teen. In fact, drugs weren’t even an issue.

True for you.... but for the masses which one would hope this was aimed at? Religion is not a concern to them, nor is it a particularly attractive subject.

[thesummerqueen]

I did not say it was a bad thing... I said it was pointless.

Opinion - we'll agree to disagree.

But not as useful as a supporting and accepting friend

Not everyone has one of those.

True for you.... but for the masses which one would hope this was aimed at? Religion is not a concern to them, nor is it a particularly attractive subject.

Over-generalized, I think. The spate of kids interested in keeping their schools secular would suggest the wind is shifting.

[Violet]

Opinion - we'll agree to disagree.

Cheater... but don't you want to haggle?

Not everyone has one of those.

Then they should make one in themselves.

Over-generalized, I think. The spate of kids interested in keeping their schools secular would suggest the wind is shifting.

These kids which are a minority of the rest and whom most of the rest despise? Yes, I know of them too

[thesummerqueen]

The point of education is to reach out and provide information for those who haven't found it and might not even know it's there. Also for the fence sitters. I'm not interested in denouncing a compilation of said information on the basis that it's useless for one particular person or another. I do think his information needs to be corrected.

But then again I keep getting told I'm a big weakling, so what the fuck do I know?

[fr0d0]

FTM - I'm taking your words exactly how they look to me. You say A, I say what's wrong with A, you say you meant B.

I KNOW you didn't say you understood religion... that was kinda my point.
You never said that you wanted to use religion as a scientific tool... but I infered that directly from your statement about religion ...that's how you were trying to use it FROM YOUR STATEMENT.

Tiresome? Pshhh.
Maybe I need to dumb it down a bit for you.

Rhiz

No point to make then.

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Because “art” no longer exists?

When the point of art is quantifiable scientifically, then we can accept it. Otherwise we must demote it to the unimportant and teach people such. After all, there is no place for it in an enlightened world.

[thesummerqueen]

When the point of art is quantifiable scientifically, then we can accept it. Otherwise we must demote it to the unimportant and teach people such. After all, there is no place for it in an enlightened world.

I have no idea what you're talking about or if you're putting me on.