If Not Hell then what?

[Minimalist]

If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong,

Hell is fiction...just like the rest of your bullshit religion, Drippy.

Unless you can produce actual evidence for it?












(Didn't think so.)

[Faith No More]

Pffft, I don't know why other Atheists are so concerned with this. It's a fictional place, it's fun to tease Christians about the supposed omnibenevolence of their God in the face of their scripture but not worthy of a serious discussion.

Because it's fun to watch them squirm with all kinds of mental gymnastics, like claiming that people make the choice to go to hell.

Plus, how a person tries to justify the concept of hell in their religion gives great insight into their character. For example, I can only assume after reading this thread that Drich likes to kick puppies and push old people down the stairs.

[Drich]

After my death, I want to be dead, no more, finito, kaput, game over.
Like everyone else here, left alone... if there is such a thing as an immortal soul, I want mine to be obliterated into nothingness, no heaven, no hell, no purgatory, just nothing.... back to what it was before I was conceived.

But, that's just it. Your death is not a true death, quite the oppsite, it is your spiritual birth into eternity. Christ liken our death as a seed that has been planted. In order for grow and prosper into our fullest potential there is the destruction of the orginal seed/shell. Meaning our death in this life is just our introduction in the next. So inorder for you to die, truly die one must be sent to Hell.

So I ask again is this what you really want?

Indeed, what will keep all those souls busy for an eternity?

I don't know, but in an infinate universe the possiablities are indeed infinate.

I thought that your god boy had the Universe taken care of, whats with the requirement of servants?

God is the God that placed the natural world/universe in motion. With that in Mind why wouldn't there be a need for servants to maintain what needs to be taken care of... Look at The expressed reason God created man to begin with (To maintain the garden) Then look at the Charge he Gave man when he expelled him from the garden: To take care of the earth through the sweat of our brow.

And the only alternative to servitude is eternal suffering? Sounds a lot like something men would make up to keep ignorant people in line...

Hell is seperation, Suffering only comes in to play when one regrets what he has thrown away. For some I would even dare to say 'suffering' is a non issue.

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Have you experienced it?

Well, yes. Or at least enough to know I want to be apart of God's eternity.

I haven't, so I can't say I want it. I can say I don't want it because I know it entails forever, and that is something I don't want.

We can not truly know what 'forever' means as we are finite, that is unless we are shown.

I don't want to live forever: I can't think of anything worse.

As I pointed out Hell is the second death, it is call the grave for a reason. You maybe one who will not 'suffer' in Hell, but then again you do not know the scope and the depth of God's eternity either, so who knows for sure.

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Are we to assume that atheists, judged by the standards of the person who is doing the judging, automatically would go to hell?

Nothing abhors me more than the thought of a living forever, so like everyone else, instead of assuming I'm going to a magical fairy land of punishment, just be left alone and dead is enough. I've had my life, and its much more fulfilling and amazing knowing its finite.

See my comment to Joel..

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If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong, then what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve Him for eternity?

The concept of hell is immoral as a place of eternal torment. Eternal torment for minor infractions as well.

So in this imagined scenerio I would say oblivion was a better choice.

Would you endure Hell to find your oblivion?

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If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong,

Hell is fiction...just like the rest of your bullshit religion, Drippy.

Unless you can produce actual evidence for it?












(Didn't think so.)

If you really want proof then just A/S/K.

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Pffft, I don't know why other Atheists are so concerned with this. It's a fictional place, it's fun to tease Christians about the supposed omnibenevolence of their God in the face of their scripture but not worthy of a serious discussion.

Because it's fun to watch them squirm with all kinds of mental gymnastics, like claiming that people make the choice to go to hell.

Plus, how a person tries to justify the concept of hell in their religion gives great insight into their character. For example, I can only assume after reading this thread that Drich likes to kick puppies and push old people down the stairs.

Don't forget about smashing babies against rocks.. (In addition to the puppies and stairs.)

[pocaracas]

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After my death, I want to be dead, no more, finito, kaput, game over.
Like everyone else here, left alone... if there is such a thing as an immortal soul, I want mine to be obliterated into nothingness, no heaven, no hell, no purgatory, just nothing.... back to what it was before I was conceived.

But, that's just it. Your death is not a true death, quite the oppsite, it is your spiritual birth into eternity.
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How on Earth would you have come across such wondrous knowledge?
Has any of those billions who have already died come back to attest that?

Christ liken our death as a seed that has been planted. In order for grow and prosper into our fullest potential there is the destruction of the orginal seed/shell. Meaning our death in this life is just our introduction in the next. So inorder for you to die, truly die one must be sent to Hell.

So I ask again is this what you really want?

Kindly read what I wrote again and again, until the glaring part where me dying being equivalent to going back into the nothingness I was before I was conceived becomes clear to your mind.

Indeed, what will keep all those souls busy for an eternity?

I don't know, but in an infinate universe the possiablities are indeed infinate.

Add infinite universes on top of that, while you're at it! And why not a few aliens from somewhere in those universes.... you can never have too many servants to take care of such a huge infinity!

[quote='Drich' pid='432894' dateline='1366314680']
[quote]I thought that your god boy had the Universe taken care of, whats with the requirement of servants?

God is the God that placed the natural world/universe in motion. With that in Mind why wouldn't there be a need for servants to maintain what needs to be taken care of... Look at The expressed reason God created man to begin with (To maintain the garden) Then look at the Charge he Gave man when he expelled him from the garden: To take care of the earth through the sweat of our brow.

So god just creates and then leaves all the taking care for the people who die.... so that's where the saints come in... ah... I had never thought about the mythology like that... and I had never understood where did saints come from.
Always thought they were some adaptation of pagan mythology into the canon...

And the only alternative to servitude is eternal suffering? Sounds a lot like something men would make up to keep ignorant people in line...

Hell is seperation, Suffering only comes in to play when one regrets what he has thrown away. For some I would even dare to say 'suffering' is a non issue.

whatever...

[Fidel_Castronaut]

It's amazing, truly, to see a fiction believed on such an unprecedented scale.

[pocaracas]

It's amazing, truly, to see a fiction believed on such an unprecedented scale.

I wouldn't say it's unprecedented...
This belief has been going on for quite a while.

[The Grand Nudger]

Still busy threatening peoples "immortal souls" I see. What produces a person who thinks that this is an acceptable way to interact with others? I bet the same people who do this would balk at the idea of threatening someone with physical violence in the here and now, how this differs is beyond me. Fucking christaholic assholes.

[Drich]

How on Earth would you have come across such wondrous knowledge?

A/S/K

Has any of those billions who have already died come back to attest that?

.. and it was written down in the bible.

Kindly read what I wrote again and again, until the glaring part where me dying being equivalent to going back into the nothingness I was before I was conceived becomes clear to your mind.

What was abundantly clear from the beginning is that you do not understand death. My assertion was an attempt to correct your flawed understanding of death. You think death is oblivion and that you are pulled from oblivion to be sent to Hell. Jesus teaches Death is our birth into eternity. Which Means from this birth one must endure Death/Hell to reach the oblivion you said you wanted. My question was asked in light of this new information, do you still seek oblivion?

So god just creates and then leaves all the taking care for the people who die....

who are born into eternity, into His service.

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Still busy threatening peoples "immortal souls" I see. What produces a person who thinks that this is an acceptable way to interact with others? I bet the same people who do this would balk at the idea of threatening someone with physical violence in the here and now, how this differs is beyond me. Fucking christaholic assholes.

I am not threating anything the purpose of this thread is to find out what you would perfer to Hell.

[The Grand Nudger]

Then perhaps you should be satisfied with the responses you've been given rather than insisting upon hell. I don't prefer anything over it, again, it's a non-issue. It's precisely equivalent to asking me what I would prefer instead of unicorn sirloin at my next meal. The very notion that there might be some preference after death is absurd to me- there won't be any "me" to have a fucking preference in the first place. A meaningless question, couched in meaningless terms, searching for a meaningless conclusion.

(don';t pull your back out trying to flip over your boogeyman and the dissonance you've employed)

[downbeatplumb]

The concept of hell is immoral as a place of eternal torment. Eternal torment for minor infractions as well.

So in this imagined scenerio I would say oblivion was a better choice.

Would you endure Hell to find your oblivion?

Um No.
Oblivion was the alternative to hell.
That's what the "better choice" bit was in my answer to your question.
"If not hell what?"