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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 7:53 am
-minus the sci...with added fi.
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 7:57 am
Fifi? Isn't that a dog's name?
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 10:17 am
(December 7, 2014 at 7:26 am)Rhythm Wrote: -this is fucking idiotic. I implement computing systems in minecraft. I don't find myself having to revert a world simply because I simulate a machine within a simulation being run by a machine. You might be familiar with this sort of thing yourself - emulators (ATARI,NES,SEGA,PS running on a PC). The environment a sim runs in puts hard limits on what can be done or made by that system. I can arrange for an effect which might seem like it could break the machine (to a person with little to no fucking clue...). For example, running a simulated 128bit alu on my 64bit system.....with 4 instances of parallel implementation. Seems like it would be too much, how do you get 128bits out of 64...well, I don't..I use 32, the 128bit alu is a simulation (a useful illusion). Could, of course, run 16 of the machines pictured below to achieve the same effect. The manner in which it's achieved is fairly simple - though an explanation would probably only confuse the issue. Fair amount of trickery involved.
Quote:A future society will very likely have the technological ability and the motivation to create large numbers of completely realistic historical simulations and be able to overcome any ethical and legal obstacles to doing so. It is thus highly probable that we are a form of artificial intelligence inhabiting one of these simulations. To avoid stacking (i.e. simulations within simulations), the termination of these simulations is likely to be the point in history when the technology to create them first became widely available, (estimated to be 2050). Long range planning beyond this date would therefore be futile.
Historical Simulations - Motivational, Ethical and Legal Issues, Journal of Futures Studies, Vol. 11, No. 1, pp. 23-42, August 2006
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 11:36 am
(December 7, 2014 at 10:17 am)Heywood Wrote: Quote:A future society will very likely have the technological ability and the motivation to create large numbers of completely realistic historical simulations and be able to overcome any ethical and legal obstacles to doing so. It is thus highly probable that we are a form of artificial intelligence inhabiting one of these simulations. To avoid stacking (i.e. simulations within simulations), the termination of these simulations is likely to be the point in history when the technology to create them first became widely available, (estimated to be 2050). Long range planning beyond this date would therefore be futile.
Historical Simulations - Motivational, Ethical and Legal Issues, Journal of Futures Studies, Vol. 11, No. 1, pp. 23-42, August 2006
Perhaps lawyers aren't the very best place to get information about physics or future technology.  What you have there is thought speculation about the legal implications of using computer simulations for medical testing working on the assumption that such simulations might be possible by 2050. Jenkins relies on futurologists for that prediction.
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 2:07 pm
(December 6, 2014 at 11:18 pm)Heywood Wrote: (December 6, 2014 at 8:19 pm)IATIA Wrote: Even if we could create a sub reality at the level portrayed in "The Thirteenth Floor", how would we even know? Very smart people are working on how we could tell if we are existing in a sub reality right now. There are published paper detailing on how we can test for it. It would be impossible to test a system from within the system. Any anomalies would be a part of the system that we were not yet aware of. Within the system one can only 'test' with the rules of the system.
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 2:41 pm
(November 30, 2014 at 1:06 pm)oukoida Wrote: ...wouldn't it be much like a Minecraft world? Flat, infinite, with (potentially) infinite resources and without many of the dangers and complexities of the real world? Especially considering that the creator God is proposed (at least by the major monotheistic religions) as an omnipotent being, why would he create a universe where most of the space is empty and/or unsuitable for human life?
If he wanted a huge sandbox to make us humans live and to test us, why not make the whole of the universe like that? After all, he can pop things into existence, pretty much like a computer does when it generates a Minecraft world.
So, the question is: is Notch more intelligent a designer than Yahweh/Allah/Jehovah?
The answer is simple. It is tuned for life. How it happened is a topic we can debate.
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm
(December 7, 2014 at 2:41 pm)comet Wrote: It is tuned for life.
What on earth makes you say that?
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 2:53 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 4:34 pm by Heywood.)
(December 7, 2014 at 11:36 am)Jenny A Wrote: (December 7, 2014 at 10:17 am)Heywood Wrote: Historical Simulations - Motivational, Ethical and Legal Issues, Journal of Futures Studies, Vol. 11, No. 1, pp. 23-42, August 2006
Perhaps lawyers aren't the very best place to get information about physics or future technology. What you have there is thought speculation about the legal implications of using computer simulations for medical testing working on the assumption that such simulations might be possible by 2050. Jenkins relies on futurologists for that prediction.
I was just citing the source of my statement about stacking problems. I noticed this morning when I was putting up the link that Jenkins is from a law school. I almost commented on it but figured paper was peer reviewed prior to publication. I could be wrong about that too. I didn't spend any time researching the Journal of Futures Studies. I'm not interested in debating stacking problems with Rhythm....I just want to throw out there my source for that particular comment I made.
(December 7, 2014 at 2:07 pm)IATIA Wrote: (December 6, 2014 at 11:18 pm)Heywood Wrote: Very smart people are working on how we could tell if we are existing in a sub reality right now. There are published paper detailing on how we can test for it. It would be impossible to test a system from within the system. Any anomalies would be a part of the system that we were not yet aware of. Within the system one can only 'test' with the rules of the system.
Here is the source of my statement on people thinking about how to test Simulation Hypothesis.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/429...imulation/
(December 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (December 7, 2014 at 2:41 pm)comet Wrote: It is tuned for life.
What on earth makes you say that?
There are a lot of main stream physicists and cosmologists who acknowledge a "fine tuning" problem. However many do not.
It is not a crack pot idea.
Again I would dispute the notion the universe is fine tuned for life, but rather instead claim it is apparently fine tuned for emergent complexity.
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 3:21 pm
(December 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (December 7, 2014 at 2:41 pm)comet Wrote: It is tuned for life.
What on earth makes you say that?
Because this hole fits us perfectly; it must have been made to have us in it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 3:43 pm
(December 7, 2014 at 3:21 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (December 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What on earth makes you say that?
Because this hole fits us perfectly; it must have been made to have us in it.
This is not the kind of "fine tuning" we are talking about.
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