Custody Battle Update Thingy

[Nine]

Agreed with summer.. Mehmet you are very naive or live in some kind of bizarre reality separate from our world. Either way I'm not sure why you think you can pass judgement on someone when you have no idea what is going on in their life.

[Erinome]

Well, you probably haven't grown up in terms of personality. You still can't obviously think straight when you lay under a man that you know that is a drug dealing scumbag.

I don't "lay under a man". This is America, and if there is one, I'm already going to hell, so I do a WHOLE LOT more than that. You're really fucking naive, mehmet. Totally not clued into what goes on in places where women are equal to men.

I do what I want, and I make mistakes, but I learn from them. I had my tubes tied after my 2nd child, and I do use protection, but for some inexplicable reason, I keep getting pregnant.

I didn't get to know him, because I didn't want to know him. I wanted to use his penis for the purposes of cumming. As long as I am taking responsibility for the consequences, which I am, I love and forgive myself anyway.

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[quote='kılıç_mehmet' pid='249364' dateline='1331050882']

So it is you who brought him back?

Technically, no. I signed her up for government medical insurance, and the state went after him.

But he did lay claim on the child first, by means of a court case. So why would he scream and moan if he were called back by the court anyways?

He's a baby.

Well, nothing honest can come out of an illegal deal.

When I give the weed man 30 dollars, and he gives me a quarter ounce of regular weed, I just got an honest, albeit illegal deal. Happens all the time.

[LastPoet]

Actually it's not really honest since the illegality of the stuff makes its price way too high, comparing to production costs.

[Chuff]

When did this thread turn into a case of character assassination against the OP?

I don't believe that aleialoura should have to explain her past - It is exactly that, the future is the only thing that matters for her and her kids.

And 'drug dealing scumbag'? cmon, really? I have dealt weed, my brother has and still does, and I have known many many people over the years who do, not many of which I would label a scumbag.

Scumbags are scumbags, whether they happen to deal drugs or not

[Jackalope]

Actually it's not really honest since the illegality of the stuff makes its price way too high, comparing to production costs.

It's a standard business practice to factor many forms of risk into the pricing structure. There's nothing dishonest about that at all.

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Alei - sounds like things are really going your way. I hope things turn out for the best - it certainly sounds positive.

[thesummerqueen]

Stereotypes are great for humor, bad for decision making. Unfortunately, not everyone realizes this.

I don't know why Mehmet thinks being a stripper is such a bad thing (I wish I had the boobs and dance skills to make money off of men willing to pay for a fantasty). Or thinks a pot dealer is a bad thing (beyond it being illegal in the face of our conservative government). Or why he thinks he should judge Alei by what he thinks life should be instead of how it actually is.

[Erinome]

I've been judged by fuller bags of douche. Men never think being a stripper is a bad thing when there's one straddling them. Never. I've made a fortune bumping and grinding with nothing on but a thong and a money making smile. I prefer to think of stripping, not as stripping, but like people giving me their money for basically nothing. Ya know, sticks and stones may break my bones, but I've got all your money.

Mehmet is from a part of the world, wherein their attitudes, ideals and standards are mostly unfortunate I think. Seems very "fun free" to me... at least for the women, homosexuals, and anyone else who doesn't stick their penises in vaginas.

[downbeatplumb]

I wish I had the boobs and dance skills to make money off of men willing to pay for a fantasty

You are both underestimating your looks and ability and over estimating the pickiness of men.

[thesummerqueen]

I'd rather do something along the lines of burlesque anyway.

[kılıç_mehmet]

This is going to be a long reply, since I've gotten a number of replies and a number of related replies.

I've been judged by fuller bags of douche.

Well, if you were a relative of mine, I surely wouldn't be so polite as I'm now.
Your actions deserve no praise whatsoever. Nor do the actions of your parents.

Men never think being a stripper is a bad thing when there's one straddling them. Never.

Never? Would any woman become a stripper if she would have a respectable trade? Do you think that stripping, or prostitution is a respectable job?
I honestly don't even think that modeling is somewhere near respectable.
But well, it generally comes down upon how you view yourself. If you think yeah, I can get over the fact that I'm earning money by showing off my body naked to people that I don't know, well, have at it.

There are ways that allow you to "earn" money the easier and more respectable way, namely, marrying some well-earning, good-doer fellow, he'd give you a credit card and a car.

I've made a fortune bumping and grinding with nothing on but a thong and a money making smile.

You sound like you're proud of that. How would you like if your daughter would turn up just like you?

Mehmet is from a part of the world, wherein their attitudes, ideals and standards are mostly unfortunate I think. Seems very "fun free" to me... at least for the women, homosexuals, and anyone else who doesn't stick their penises in vaginas.

Here, we do have a set of limits. I also think that your part of the world has the same set of limits, but I think that it's just you that happens to ignore the limits that society set before you.
Fun free, yeah. Whatever you have there, we have here. Drugs, prostitution, strip clubs, and etc. We have sluts, drug addicts and whatnot.
But here, we do not try to whitewash these things. We try to minimize them. You try to glorify stripping by stating that you have made a fortune by prostituting your body to other people, you don't lie with them, but it's just the same in my eyes.

Agreed with summer.. Mehmet you are very naive or live in some kind of bizarre reality separate from our world. Either way I'm not sure why you think you can pass judgement on someone when you have no idea what is going on in their life.

Bizarre? What really is so bizarre with my reality that is seperate of *your* world? Certainly, I find your reality to be quite bizarre and disturbing.
Besides, I'm not rendering judgement on anyone. I'm simply telling my opinions on their actions, as I think that judgement without action is no judgement at all.

I don't "lay under a man". This is America, and if there is one, I'm already going to hell, so I do a WHOLE LOT more than that. You're really fucking naive, mehmet. Totally not clued into what goes on in places where women are equal to men.

I believe in equality between men and women, however you said that it was in your hands to either allow him to advance on you, or not.
You did allow him, did you not? It just comes down to the same spot.

I do what I want, and I make mistakes, but I learn from them. I had my tubes tied after my 2nd child, and I do use protection, but for some inexplicable reason, I keep getting pregnant.

Well, everyone does what they want. I do what I want. But I think, before I act.
And it's really unfortunate that you got pregnant once more, I hope it doesn't happen again.

I didn't get to know him, because I didn't want to know him. I wanted to use his penis for the purposes of cumming. As long as I am taking responsibility for the consequences, which I am, I love and forgive myself anyway.

And look where it got you, Aleia. With another child that you have to take care of, alone, according to your statements.
One night of pleasure for such trouble. But at the end, bearing the consequences is the least you can do. As I said, the child-like mind, only understands it the hard way. But well, sometimes, luck just isn't on your side. In such times, it's best not to push it, and according to your words, you like to push yours.

When I give the weed man 30 dollars, and he gives me a quarter ounce of regular weed, I just got an honest, albeit illegal deal. Happens all the time.

I still do not think that dealing in things that poison the minds of people is an honest deal. It's as honest as selling a weapon to a man who plans to kill another.
But well, it's America, right?
By the way, I wonder what the court would say if they knew that the father of the child was your dealer. Here, none of you would get custody of the child.

I don't know why Mehmet thinks being a stripper is such a bad thing (I wish I had the boobs and dance skills to make money off of men willing to pay for a fantasty). Or thinks a pot dealer is a bad thing (beyond it being illegal in the face of our conservative government). Or why he thinks he should judge Alei by what he thinks life should be instead of how it actually is.

Really, I sometimes have a hard time believing that you people are "leftists", as leftists in my country are strongly opposed to women selling their body as a commodity.
And well, being a drug dealer is a bad thing. Aside from being illegal, there really is no morality in dealing drugs. A drug dealer can sell drugs to young people, old people, people with families and children and do not even care.

Stereotypes are great for humor, bad for decision making. Unfortunately, not everyone realizes this.

I do not stereotype anyone, for I've known people who deal in various drugs.
Their worth in comparison to a man who earns less, but enough to feed his family is nothing. Their trade is not honest, and flaunts the law, by feeding false joy to the minds of troubled people.
Is that a great thing? There are cases where I find playing the devil's advocate to be unacceptable.

Now to your long post, Summer Queen.

Your responses on this forum "sound" like both.

And how do I prove that it's otherwise? I really can't, not over the internet. But I really would like to know the reasons why you think so. In that way, I might understand the lot of you better, maybe.

Demonstrating you do not know shit all about her, or her life. Not all drug dealers are personally scumbags, and not all honest workers are stellar individuals in their home lives. I'll let her refute her family issues.

And what exactly would you have me extract from this thread?
If she had a proper family, she would not have left her home at 16. She would not have to strip for others for some cash.
I do not know what kind of a job she has now, or what her degree of education is, but I know that these two are proof enough for me to say that she wasn't raised very well, not by my standards.

Doesn't follow. Lots of people sell weed because it's a drug that shouldn't be illegal. Doesn't make it right. It's also not related to alcoholism or his family problems.

Lots of people sell weed to earn money the easy way. They'd sell something more profitable if they could, perhaps, but weed can be grown home, and doesn't need large poppy fields, nor coca plantations.

She's a big girl who obviously takes care of her own 'mistakes'. She doesn't need people telling her how to live.

Well, she has to take care of them after she's done it, that's for sure.
But if she hadn't done them to begin with, that would have been better, yes?

Because that's such an honest source of information?

It's a *source* of information, that's for sure.

Your cultural bias coming into play.

Well, maybe, but it's how it's done around these parts.

Stop making judgments of her character until you ask the appropriate questions to assuage your assumptions.

I'm stating my opinion as to the current knowledge I have on the topic.
As the knowledge grows, I change my assumptions, but until now, not much has changed.

My point is that he didn't appear to be an abuser by any means. You're missing the point.

Then why did he abuse you?

Families form and break apart for a variety of reasons. It's only people stuck on "traditional" values that turn it into a crisis.

Nope. My family, and the families of relatives and friends are all quite traditional, and normal. None of them experience a crisis. A crisis, as far as I can tell, comes when the said families have one of the following problems.

1-Fiscal problems, coupled with excessive waste of money on the part of one of the spouses.
2-Cheating
3-Rash descisions.

And there are of course, some related to problems amongst the spouses.
The variety is here, and cheating is one of them.
Not on the part of any of the above.