Where Did the Trinity Teaching Come From?

[Godscreated]

So, who wants ice cream?

Chunky Monkey please.

[Alter2Ego]

Yes the semi-colon separates the two for descriptive purposes, not to separate God and Christ as two different beings. How is it that we can exist for two separate beings when God said, that He is a jealous God and we're not to worship another.

ALTER2EGO -to- GODSCHILD:
We exist ultimately because of Jehovah. He is the one who gives life to all. Recall that when Jesus died, it was Jehovah that resurrected him.

You fail to realize that the pre-human Jesus is himself a created being. As previously stated, Jehovah allowed Jesus Christ—whom he created—the privilege of assisting him in creating all other things. The Bible refers to the pre-human Jesus as follows.

"{15} He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION; {16} because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. {17} Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist." (Colossians 1:15-17)


That fact alone of Jesus being created debunks the trinity dogma. According to Article I of the Roman Catholic Faith, the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit are CO-EQUAL. A created being can never be equal to the one who created him.

[Anomalocaris]

this thread is exactly why no one should give Christianity any consideration. Even the dipshits who believe this shit don't agree with the other dipshits....

And yet we are the ones using our brains to dig deep into the meaning and significance of the documents that have shaped our world. We learn and grow from each other by comparing our thoughts and correcting one another. It's no different from comparing and advocating the work of different artists while discussing aesthetics. In this area, you are done learning. Suit yourself, but you're only making asses of yourselves with your ignorant insults.

So christian of him to to think "digging deep" is the same as "being fooled by", and making a idiot show of "being fooled by" while sanctimoniously intoning the virtues of "digging deep".

[Kayenneh]

And yet we are the ones using our brains to dig deep into the meaning and significance of the documents that have shaped our world. We learn and grow from each other by comparing our thoughts and correcting one another. It's no different from comparing and advocating the work of different artists while discussing aesthetics.

Correcting each other, you say? But how is that possible? A huge problem in this discussion seems to be that no one is using the same bible. When the text is altered and you start debating minuscule points, isn't that quite futile? You are indeed to my eyes only comparing thoughts on the matter and analyzing, it all comes down to opinion. So who's right, the one who wants to take the text quite literally or the one who wants to analyze the thought behind it? You also mentioned artists and aesthetics, so is it all about taste and preferences? I'm sorry, but I cannot take this discussion any more seriously than two D&D:ers arguing whether 2.0 or 3.5 is the best edition.

[LastPoet]

Now we only need a catholic, a jew and mormon to have a shit flinguing fest

[Creed of Heresy]

*parachutes in*

Evolution disproves the entire basis of genesis therefore the very foundational stories of the bible are all made up therefore the bible is fallible and if you can't trust certain parts, you can't trust the rest, therefore the entire thing is a lie and you guys are debating the differences between your lies.

Also evolution has scientific evidence, the bible does not, blah blah blah I've been over this before.

BLAST OFF, SPACEMAN!! *jetpacks away*

[Alter2Ego]

It seems to me that you are saying either there are two gods, which scriptures never teach, or that Jesus is not God in any way, also not taught in scripture.

ALTER2EGO -to- GODSCHILD:
As I explained in my previous post, Jesus Christ is the most powerful of Jehovah's angelic sons. All of the angels are considered minor gods because supernatural beings are considered to be gods according to the dictionary definition, which I'm repeating below for ease of reference.

WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF "GOD":
1. any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature

2. a person or thing deified or excessively honored or admired
http://www.yourdictionary.com/god


The word "god" is merely a title. Pagans worshipped false gods. Even Satan the Devil is referred to at 2 Corinthians 4:4 as "the god of this system of things."

"among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through." (2 Corinthians 4:4)

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[NoMoreFaith]

WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF "GOD":
1. any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature

2. a person or thing deified or excessively honored or admired

1. The supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions.
2. A man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people; "he was a god among men".
3. A material effigy that is worshipped as a god; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"; "money was his god".
4. Any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force.
5. A being conceived of as possessing supernatural power, and to be propitiated by sacrifice, worship, etc.; a divinity; a deity; an object of worship; an idol.
6. The Supreme Being; the eternal and infinite Spirit, the Creator, and the Sovereign of the universe; Jehovah.[Websters]
7. A person or thing deified and honored as the chief good; an object of supreme regard.
8. Figuratively applied to one who wields great or despotic power.

A god is an image, person or thing that is worshiped, honored or believed to be all-powerful or the creator and ruler of the universe. (noun)

That was your source link...

Hmm. maybe Merriam-Webster?

capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

I don't doubt your dictionary does has this quote, merely this is a highly unusual definition to claim all supernatural beings are therefore Gods. I would deem it to be an unreliable absolute definition of the term. The webster's entry specifically mentions supernatural beings who have control over a specific aspect of the world, so I would inquire what part Angels control autonomously from God.

[Phil]

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. Is the Trinity a Bible teaching?
2. Did Jesus Christ, the founder of Christianity teach it?
3. Did his early apostles and disciples who accompanied him teach it?
4. Where does the word "Godhead" come from?
5. Does the word "Trinity" appear anywhere in the Bible?
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Bible study bullshit is nothing more than preaching. You a troll or just brain damaged?

[NoMoreFaith]

Bible study bullshit is nothing more than preaching. You a troll or just brain damaged?

These days I think the most apt term is merely 'infected'.