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Arguments against existence of God.
RE: Arguments against existence of God.
(November 14, 2018 at 4:00 am)Belaqua Wrote:
(November 13, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Causing things to happen, whether through its nature or not, is an act.

Well, in both the Platonic and Aristotelian traditions, God is the Good, the Ideal, and the end point of all potentialities. God does nothing but exist as such, and the world moves because it aims to be nearer to, or more like, God. Action requires change, and change is something God doesn't do. The world changes because it is "motivated" by God.

Then that's not the God I have argued against then, since that's not really a Creator God. And I do know Aristotle didn't believe God created time since, for him, time could not have had a beginning.

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Quote:I'm talking about the "everything out of nothing" Creator God, the God of WLC and the likes. To create (in this context here) is to form out of nothing (creatio ex nihilo).

What is WLC? Is it widespread?

Sorry, should've been clearer. WLC is just our shorthand here for William Lane Craig.
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
(November 14, 2018 at 5:50 am)Grandizer Wrote: WLC is just our shorthand here for William Lane Craig.

Oh, that guy!

Yeah, I think we can safely ignore him.
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
Still not seeing what your purpose or intent in collecting this list is, Mystic. Can you even give us a hint, or is this one of those guessing games?
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
(November 14, 2018 at 11:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Still not seeing what your purpose or intent in collecting this list is, Mystic.  Can you even give us a hint, or is this one of those guessing games?

Maybe he's trying to come up with the ultimate defeater of all these arguments, but needs to see clearly what all these arguments are exactly.
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
Ahahaha, Not gonna reveal my evil purposes!
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
(November 14, 2018 at 11:09 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(November 14, 2018 at 11:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Still not seeing what your purpose or intent in collecting this list is, Mystic.  Can you even give us a hint, or is this one of those guessing games?

Maybe he's trying to come up with the ultimate defeater of all these arguments, but needs to see clearly what all these arguments are exactly.

I don't have confidence that Mystic can competently put the cap back on a tube of toothpaste. If that's his goal, so be it, but I see no good end to it.
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
If you're looking for a list of arguments to challenge yourself with, Mystic, perhaps you should include an argument that holds regardless of the existence of gods?

Principled rejection of the tenets of faith and fealty. Most of the faithful aren't aware of this, but even if they ever managed to prove their god, all of their work would still be ahead of them.
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
Proof that God does not exist:

>The Christian God is defined by mainstream Christianity as being all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful, and all just. Yet even a cursory reading of the bible reveals a God who is cruel, unjust, tyrannical, unloving and eternally vengeful. Ergo, the Christian God does not exist by reason of self-contradiction.

>An all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing God, by definition, cannot create evil or permit evil to exist in the world. And yet, evil exists. Ergo, God, as he is defined, does not exist on the grounds of self-contradiction.

>The law of conservation of matter and energy states that the total quantity of energy in the universe remains the same. Matter and energy are interchangeable, but neither can be created or destroyed. Ergo, the universe has always existed and will always exist in one form or another. God is unnecessary by the Principle of Parsimony.

>The natural histories of religions are well-documented. The behavioral causes of religions are well-known. There is no evidence that gods and religions are the products of anything other than human ingenuity and imagination. Ergo, atheism is rational and skeptically unassailable.
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
Sorry to butt in, but if god really did exist, he wouldn't make the waste disposal duct and the recreational channel one and the same, now would he?
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RE: Arguments against existence of God.
(July 10, 2012 at 5:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 2. Bad design in nature, and in some features of humans.
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