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Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
(October 11, 2012 at 12:10 am)Godschild Wrote: Please give scriptural evidence for your assertions, books, chapters, and verses would be appreciated. The reason I ask is because I do not believe you're correct in your assertions. To be able to discuss this, background to your assertion is needed.

Thanks
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Well according to the Gospel of Philip, God is somewhat incompetent so I think you can argue diminished responsibility for his baby killing:

Gospel of Philip Wrote:The world came about through a mistake. For he who created it wanted to create it imperishable and immortal. He fell short of attaining his desire. For the world never was imperishable, nor, for that matter, was he who made the world.
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” – John 20:26-29
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#22
RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
Um, Gospel of Philip isn't canonical.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
(October 11, 2012 at 12:49 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Um, Gospel of Philip isn't canonical.

I was gonna say; that quote looked kinda sketchy.
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#24
RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
I knew memorizing the titles of the books of the bible in sunday school would have payed off eventually.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
(October 11, 2012 at 9:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(October 11, 2012 at 12:49 am)IATIA Wrote: My bold

There is a multitude of examples of omnipotence (impotence maybe?) like this. One would think their babble-god could come up with something better?

The so-called "Israelites" weren't that bright at the time of writing? After all is said and done...nothing in the Pentateuch or Talmud are original. ALL stolen from Babylonian / Sumerian, Persian and Canaanite culture.

Seriously couldn't think of anything original Dodgy

Actually, history DOES furnish an example of "Jewish" rule over what was essentially the Davidic Empire. Unfortunately for the bible-thumpers it was c 102 BC under the Hasmonean Dynasty.

Once you dismiss the idea that this shit was written by bronze age goat fuckers and instead bring it well down into the Hellenistic era the political situation it describes starts to fall into place.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
(October 11, 2012 at 12:44 pm)Doubting_Thomas Wrote:
(October 11, 2012 at 12:10 am)Godschild Wrote:

Well according to the Gospel of Philip, God is somewhat incompetent so I think you can argue diminished responsibility for his baby killing:

Gospel of Philip Wrote:The world came about through a mistake. For he who created it wanted to create it imperishable and immortal. He fell short of attaining his desire. For the world never was imperishable, nor, for that matter, was he who made the world.

Seems your fellow nonbelievers know more than you do, maybe you should confer with them from time to time.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
(October 11, 2012 at 1:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...
Seems your fellow nonbelievers know more than you do, maybe you should confer with them from time to time.

Same to you.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
(October 11, 2012 at 12:49 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Um, Gospel of Philip isn't canonical.

Probably its biggest plus....especially when you compare it to the canonical shit.
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RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
(October 11, 2012 at 12:34 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Why is God's glory the greatest good? Why should one want to glorify God?

Everyone worships something. When I say worship I'm talking about more than bowing down to something or singing songs to it. What I mean by "everyone worships something" is this: there is something in every humans life that he ascribes the highest value to.

For some people it's their job, that's what they ascribe the highest value to. They dedicate their life to that job, they sacrifice time for their job, they sacrifice relationships, they sacrifice sleep…all of these things are sacrificed to their god…their job. They life revolves around making much of their job.

For some people it's their friends. Their ego, their self-image, the way the perceive life stands or falls based on what they're friends think of them.

For some people it's their animals. They pamper they're animals and buy them clothes and fancy things and take them places to make much of them.

For some people it's their kids. They make their entire world revolve around their children, they sacrifice everything for them and let them run the household.

The problem with this is that all of these things will let you down.

Your favorite team will lose, your girlfriend/wife will hurt your feelings, your job won't last, your friends will eventually let you down or leave you….none of these will fulfill you.

First I worshiped video games. I was always on top of the latest one, then you play it until it doesn't fulfill you anymore..then you look for something else. More of the same thing never fulfills.

Then I worshiped alcohol. When I was happy, I drank, when I was sad, I drank. what I ran to in my times of trouble was the bottle.

Next I worshiped drugs. Alcohol stopped fulfilling me, but drugs were something new and fun. They promised a good time and joy and peace.

One day I felt a very strong impression. "Jeff, you've tried everything that you thought would make you happy but you've never tried me."

I went out and bought a Bible for a few dollars, one that didn't look like a Bible because I was ashamed to be seen reading one. I read Genesis, then Romans….by the end of Romans I gave my life to Christ.

I have worshiped many things in my life. I have sacrificed for many false gods….sex, friends, pets, alcohol, drugs, video games, porn…..none of it fulfills. They would all leave me feeling empty when I was alone.

There is only one thing that you can worship that will never let you down, that will always fulfill, that even though heaven and earth pass away…He will still be there. 

Jesus Christ is the what I ascribe highest value to in my life. I sacrifice my time so that I can read the Bible. I sacrifice my money so that I can give to my church and to help the poor (what Jesus commands me to do). I sacrifice my social status to proclaim his name. I sacrifice everything I can get my hands on to ascribe higher value to my LORD Jesus Christ so that when someone looks at my life they can see that I value something different.

Nothing has ever fulfilled me the way a relationship with Jesus Christ has....to bring glory to Him is my greatest desire simply because it feels good. Christian Hedonism.

I would die today for my LORD Jesus Christ if it came to it. He is the resurrection and the eternal life.
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See, I've found nothing fulfilling in Jesus or God. I've found earthly (tangible *cough* real *cough cough* observable *cough cough cough*) things far more fulfilling than a God who never shows himself and left a 2000 year old contradictory account in another language.
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