Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

[John V]

It might. So what?

So then if they'd have the capacity, they also have the capacity to overrule your decisions or circumvent them, call it bullshit and not follow your 'laws' anymore.

First, capacity to judge does not imply capacity to overrule or circumvent. If it did, we wouldn't be having this discussion, as the peoples judged by god would have overruled or circumvented his judgment.

Second, they're not following my laws in the first place, or I wouldn't have destroyed them.

Say God existed and was merely a more powerful and misunderstood being. Humanity is reaching the point where we're becoming much more cognizant of each other and our place in the universe. If the being existed and committed those atrocities and we found out about it, I almost pity the being.

Uh, OK, if people ever become as powerful as god, things will be different. That's a pretty useless observation for this discussion.

[Cinjin]

The criminals and convicts cannot judge them. Actually, they can judge them all they like, but they can't enforce their judgments.

Should we let convicts, enemy combatants etc. judge and punish judges, soldiers, police, etc.?

I love the hypocrisy of this entire line of thought.

Many times over on these forums you christians have said that your god does not have to follow the rules of "human justice," stating that he has "divine justice."
But of course, when you need a way to justify your gods actions, you always come back to some example of good ole human justice to try and make your case. It's just such a joke. You people go round and round defending your god with bull shit arguments like sentencing prisoners to death but fail to take into account that many countries don't actually do that and completely ignore the fact that even the countries that do, don't actually torture them for all eternity.

God is perfectly just, and yet he sentences the imperfect humans he created to infinite suffering in hell for finite sins. Clearly, a limited offense does not warrant unlimited punishment. God's sentencing of the imperfect humans to an eternity in hell for a mere mortal lifetime of sin is infinitely more unjust than this punishment. The absurd injustice of this infinite punishment is even greater when we consider that the ultimate source of human imperfection is the God who created them. A perfectly just God who sentences his imperfect creation to infinite punishment for finite sins is impossible.

[Minimalist]

any established Christian knows that different books need to be approached differently

Don't give your fellow xtians too much credit. Most of them are as dumb as shit.

[thesummerqueen]

Sure it does - cognizance to do so, or want to do so at least. You have to have the capacity for one to do the other, and the one implies you have the brains to do the other, if not the technology.

Also, God apparently only judged and punished a select group of people in the deserts of the Middle East, conveniently forgetting about a bunch of other people all around the world who had better judgement than he. Sometimes society has to evolve as much as brain size.

Although I find it interesting that Abraham argued with God over how many good people a city had to hold for God to stay his hand in punishing the wicked and innocent alike. Was Abraham already moving in wisdom past his master? I can't remember - did that happen before or after Isaac? I'd consider a being who wanted to kill my kid for the hell of it a sketchy as fuck character who probably needed mood stabilizers.

I didn't say people had to be as powerful as god, so quit putting words in my mouth. People with lesser technologies but decent understanding can still wreck a lot of havoc.

[John V]

Judged by whom?

Authority figures should be judged by the collective of those they hold authority over. For judges and police, this means the society they serve. For soldiers, this means the military force they serve, which in turn, should be held accountable by the state they are responsible for.

Festive said it better.

A judge's authority is held most directly over those convicted of crimes. Should these be the people judging the judges? If those convicted by a judge deem him excessively harsh and believe they should be set free, should we set them free?

So what you're saying is that your god considers us like ants. But ants react against the predators, and they're justified in doing so (prove me wrong if you don't agree). Does this mean that if god exists we have the right to defend against him?

I like this idea.

Sure. Ever read Revelation? People war with god.

[thesummerqueen]

A judge's authority is held most directly over those convicted of crimes. Should these be the people judging the judges? If those convicted by a judge deem him excessively harsh and believe they should be set free, should we set them free?

Maybe not outright, but we do take a look at the judge's decisions - just in case.

[John V]

A judge's authority is held most directly over those convicted of crimes. Should these be the people judging the judges? If those convicted by a judge deem him excessively harsh and believe they should be set free, should we set them free?

Maybe not outright, but we do take a look at the judge's decisions - just in case.

Correct, we don't let the convicts determine their own guilt or sentence. They may judge the judges all they like, but as they don't have capacity to overrule those judgments, their complaints are in vain.

Jesus said, "with what judgment you judge, you will be judged." Paul said, "in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."

The more I consider these, the more profound I find them to be.

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God is perfectly just, and yet he sentences the imperfect humans he created to infinite suffering in hell for finite sins. Clearly, a limited offense does not warrant unlimited punishment. God's sentencing of the imperfect humans to an eternity in hell for a mere mortal lifetime of sin is infinitely more unjust than this punishment. The absurd injustice of this infinite punishment is even greater when we consider that the ultimate source of human imperfection is the God who created them. A perfectly just God who sentences his imperfect creation to infinite punishment for finite sins is impossible.

Er, what makes you think you'll stop sinning in hell?

[thesummerqueen]

Not necessarily. Convicts come in all shapes and sizes - not all are so messed up as to not know when someone is being unduly harsh. They don't get to determine their sentence, but they can questions someone's judgement when determining it for them.

[pocaracas]

Jesus said, "with what judgment you judge, you will be judged." Paul said, "in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."

The more I consider these, the more profound I find them to be.

Hence the title of the thread: Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

These actions are what your bible claims that your god did or encouraged.
We judge your god by our standards.
Heck, the bloke is likely to be just made up, anyway!

[Cinjin]

Maybe not outright, but we do take a look at the judge's decisions - just in case.

Correct, we don't let the convicts determine their own guilt or sentence. They may judge the judges all they like, but as they don't have capacity to overrule those judgments, their complaints are in vain.

Jesus said, "with what judgment you judge, you will be judged." Paul said, "in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things."

The more I consider these, the more profound I find them to be.

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Er, what makes you think you'll stop sinning in hell?

And that's all you need to justify your god's actions isn't it? Don't bother answering ... no one's taking you seriously now with those retarded responses anyway.

lol. Ridiculous notions all, but you have proven Ryantology's point in the OP. You obviously and most definitely celebrate the brutality of your vicious narcissistic god.