The Most Explicit Verses on the Godship of Jesus

[Cinjin]

Lots of gymnastics going on this thread. Can't wait for the contortionists portion of the event.

[JosephBowie]

Christianity's Holy Trinity runs on the simple rule of "Jesus is who I currently need him to be."

Jesus is God when they're preaching and attempting to convert people and whatnot. He's the son of God when they're speaking of how God loves us and whatever, sacrificing his son/himself for our sins. And when he's neither of them, God is a spirit or some shit. I don't really expect this kind of thing to make sense.

Not slagging off the Christians or anything. That's just how it's always been explained to me.

[idunno]

That's a long talk. But thanks. I'll listen to it, soon.

Meanwhile, here's something for you, too:

Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus is Not God - Joshua Evans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc

Ha, I guess one long talk deserves another. However I see yours includes the summary points in the description. They seem to be more like potential contradictions. I'll give it a listen.

[John V]

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "don't do so on my account." Don't do what on your account?

"Be back with more," as I noted.

[Minimalist]

http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/...nity.html#

10 Understandably, some members of Christendom refuse to admit the close relationship between ancient triads and pantheism and the "modern" trinity doctrine of Christendom. If we closely examine the ancient Hindu pantheistic triad, however, there is no mistaking its close kinship with the trinity doctrine adopted more recently by Christendom: The One "universal self-existing world soul" is composed of Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva who were worshiped equally and were merely different manifestations of the One.

Wait for it. Any moment now we'll be getting the "my-god-is-the-real-god" line of shit spewed out.

[Cyberman]

[pocaracas]

[Minimalist]

[Rayaan]

I've done a little research on the meaning of "son of God" and how it relates to Jesus in the Biblical verses.

Is Jesus the only son of God?

To my knowledge, the answer is no. The Old Testament has many other passages that mention "sons of God" such as the ones below:

(About Israel):
"With weeping they will come, and by supplication I will lead them; I will make them walk by streams of waters, on a straight path in which they will not stumble; For I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.." (Jeremiah 31:9)

(About David):
"I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; When he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, but My loving kindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you." (2 Samuel 7:14-15).

(About Solomon):
"He said to me, ‘Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him.'" (1 Chronicles 28:6)

God is called a "Father" only in the sense of being a source of protection, sustenance, love, care, or a helper for the believers. These verses indicate that the term "Father" is used in a figurative sense, not literally. In the same way, the word "son" ("Ben" in Hebrew) is also used figuratively, not that they are the "begotten" sons of God. It is basically an honorary title that can be given to all the messengers of God, not only to Jesus.

When the Jewish leaders accused Jesus for claiming to be God (to use that as an excuse to kill him), it doesn't mean that their accusation was correct.

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said, you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came - and the Scripture cannot be broken - what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?" (John 10:34–36)

So, what Jesus meant was that he was amongst the "sons of God" as mentioned in the Old Testament (which is, because the word of God came to him). The "sons of God" also used to be called "gods" because when Jesus tells the Jews, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said, you are gods'?", he is referring to the following verse found in the Book of Psalms:

"I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High. Nevertheless ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes." (Psalm 82:6-7).

And this:
"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)

Therefore, according to the Bible itself:

"gods" = to whom the word of God came = sons of God;
"gods" =/= God

This falsifies the belief (Scripture-wise) that Jesus is the one and only son of God or that he was God himself.

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Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "don't do so on my account." Don't do what on your account?

"Be back with more," as I noted.

Okay. That was my misunderstanding, then.

When you said "don't do so on my account," I thought that the word "account" meant the account that you registered with on this forum (the account "John V"). But, now I realized that you used the word "account" in the sense of

"A reason given for a particular action or event"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/account

[idunno]

Still haven't had a chance to watch the video, but I think Romans 9:5 states the divinity of Christ pretty clearly "To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." (ESV)