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Poll: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
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Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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(April 22, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those are not excuses, excuses are for those who have no valid reasoning. Most of those can be backed by scripture and the ones that can not you presumed they were said.
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Right, so, excuses.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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(April 22, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: 2 billion a relative handful, your sense of numbers is warped. You did not tell me where you got those numbers.
Which numbers, the population of Earth and the number of Christians? A Google search. Are the numbers off? You've made a pretty big deal out of everything except the point of discussion, for some reason.
Godschild Wrote:He has provided a way, just because you do not like it doesn't change the fact that He has provided a way to eternal life. You have already stated you do not want God, even if He revealed Himself, and you stated God should have provided a way for those who would believe. Sight of God seems as you've stated is not a reason to accept God, so God knowing this (it is in scripture by the way) provided a way for those who will believe period. So your statement holds no water. Seems God has found a way to weed out those who would never be sincere.
Aaaand here we go with more excuses. 'You don't like the way he did it.' 'People won't believe if they see, so he provided a different way.' You keep taking my personal explanation of how I regard your god as a default explanation for every other person on the planet who doesn't accept Christ, thus giving you a convenient excuse for why god won't reveal himself.
Godschild Wrote:My back is not against the wall and it is irresponsible to presume so. No, your wanting God to do it your way, the Omniscient God of salvation has provided the perfect plan, the plan that insures all who will believe will come to Him. As far as pretending you believe would be irresponsible, I know you do not believe, I do think it's unfortunate.
Aaaand even more excuses. 'It's irresponsible to assume I'm making excuses.' 'God's plan is perfect, it doesn't need to be the way you want it to be.' No reasoning behind any of it, but it's the only way to explain why god acts so illogically.
Godschild Wrote:Those are not excuses, excuses are for those who have no valid reasoning. Most of those can be backed by scripture and the ones that can not you presumed they were said. As far as the comprehension problem, you read into scripture what you want to hear not what it actually says, that would be your problem not God's nor mine. For one to be dishonest with one's self is to look down on one's self.
Like I said, this is where these discussions tend to end up. I've tried to avoid this kind of discussion because it's bound to disappoint. There's nothing to learn from someone who eventually falls back on 'you just don't understand.' It's not that your beliefs are difficult to understand, it's just that they're impossible to reconcile without abandoning sanity.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
I am for the removal of tax exemptions of religions and the relegation of religion as a hobby, with no influence on State laws that have to cover all people.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Are you for or against the separation of church and state?
(April 23, 2013 at 3:48 am)Godschild Wrote: God's universe, He created it, God's rules, God is King whether you like it or not, your choice within His plan. Simple really.
Laying aside how silly this is - it pains me to see a fellow american - and ostensibly a fellow southerner...capitulating to the legitimacy of a monarchy. To add insult to injury - it's a divine monarchy that's being offered up - in a thread about the separation of church and state.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Godschild,

With all due respect to your time as a Christian, I have yet to see even a single shred of evidence that you could teach me anything abut exegesis. You see what you want to see in scripture because you dred what it really says, as almost all Christians do.
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