Christians, why are you hear (If you want to convert atheists read this)

[Tonus]

Which must be why, when someone a/s/ks and gets no response, you resort to the legalistic explanation of the petitioner not correctly adhering to the dogmatic requirements of a/s/k.

And he thinks that we're the ones using a "cop out argument."

[Drich]

Three posts ago. I'm on my phone, so even though I'm looking at what you said, I'm not going to try and quote it and fix it up for you.

But this brings up another question: do you not heavily rely on faith in order to justify your fundamental beliefs?

I'll wait.

[Bad Writer]

Or you can scroll up, you asshole. I'm on my computer now, but you're being a dick, so I won't copy it to you. I'll instead give you a hint: it's post #42. Now kindly answer my question that I put to you in my last post.

[Captain Colostomy]

....Now kindly answer my question that I put to you in my last post.

Which post??? I'll wait for you to quote it... :p

[Lemonvariable72]

Explain the distinction between God's list of requirements and God's laws.

I did that in the president analogy above.

If the president has certain criteria that has to be met inorder for you to have an audience with him, are these requirements considered to be national law? Are they considered to be on par with our child labor laws, or our laws against slavery? Or are these simply prerequisites one must meet inorder to have a sit down with the president?

The same is true for God. A/S/K is not law. A/S/K is what one must do for Proof, in the way of receiving the Holy Spirit. Fore what better 'proof' of God than God the Holy Spirit interceding and interacting with you? Guiding you the hard times and giving you hope when you should not have any. Receiving the Holy Spirit is not a command, nor law. It's a gift offered to us, one we all do not have to have or even completely understand in order to simply be saved.

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Then why have so many of you fallen away from the faiths of your fathers?
(I'm not speaking to one person alpo I'm speaking of those who are members here that grew up in Christianity, and have fallen away.)

It was rhetorical. Questions like the ones that follow are the reason that 'self delusion' is not a viable diagnosis for the whole of any religion. There are far too many people asking far too many questions inorder for self delusion to be the one size fits all diagnosis some make it out to be.

Because there is a whole lot of question that your god doesn't stand up to.
1. read my sig

Don't get sigs on a tablet.

2. If god is all powerful and can create anythng, can he make a rock that is too heavy for him to lift?

Only if He wanted to.
God's description of Himself is not all powerful. It is alpha and omega the beginning and end of all things. Which means He has the power and authority to choose whom ever He wants to be, and as such is not bound by some silly doctrine of man that can be used to create a paradox.
If God wants to make a rock so big... He can, if He does not want to, then He does not have to. Again that what it means to be alpha and omega. In short it means one is not bound to a title or perception to act or behave a certain way.

3. Why did he create satan knowing he rebel?

So, Satan could offer us Choice in the Garden, and though out the reign of man.

4. Why did he put the tree of good and evil in the garden knowing that eve or adam could never follow his instruction

actually the opposite was true. Adam followed the Instructions of God for an undisclosed amount of time. It could have been trillions of years. We don't know exactly. We do know it only came to an end when satan was allowed to tempt eve.

beause he failed to teach them right from wrong, and then did nt even know what death was.

Taking from the tree of knowledge was not about right and wrong it was about life and death. To say Adam did not know about death is foolishness. Nothing in the bible says anything besides God, Adam and Eve were immortal in the garden.

5.How can a being defined as love torment people for eternity, because of thought crimes during a finite life?

How do you know 'we' are tortured for eternity? The bible says Hell is eternal, and that Satan's punishment in Hell will be eternal, but it says nothing to the effect that we in Hell will be. Matter of fact when Christ warns of us of Hell He warns that it will consume us. Not sustain us forever.

6. Where did canes wife come
lets see if you can handle those because I have more.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-14190.ht...=Evolution


Oh, no the promise of more questions...


Bring it sport, lets see what you've got. Promise me one thing, you do your worst, and at the end when I answer YOUR 50 best questions, you make one of two declarations. One, your right I was wrong and I will take another look at God. Two, even though I can not answer your points I still refuse to acknowledge God because by my FAITH and FAITH alone in my peers and 'education' I seem to have the freedom to live my life how I want to this way, and simply refuse to acknowledge God as a point of pride.

1. It does not matter who wrote it, it still stands.
2. Actually does describe himself as all powerful
http://www.openbible.info/topics/omnipotence
Verese to back it up.
3. Your treatise on morality is basically special pleading. You see as there is no such thing as sin and the concept of sin itself is terrible because it has allowed all manner of evil to declare things like speaking out agianst them a sin and then easily have people punished for it.
So I would ask to define sin.
Now in practice we have seen that the golden rule and moral utilitarianism have far superior to any god(man) given rule.
4. So your god is such a incompetent designer that what he made life that started to self destruct in the garden? Or were they injured, in that case why did he fail to make a safe enviroment?
5.Actually your wrong matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
more here
https://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell
6. Well then why are we all are paying for adam's sin if we are not all descendant from him? Or did adam manage to produce children with every women on the planet when he was evicted from the garden?

[ronedee]

So yeah... do tell me how asking gets you anything...
You just got the standard deal.
Some people get more, some get less, regardless of how much asking is done.
It's life!

And there are no atheists like your sister? Just because she drives a car doesn't make her Mario Andretti.

Look, I'm not dragging you kicking and screaming anywhere. I am relating my family's experiences... I don't know anyone elses.

[Drich]

1. It does not matter who wrote it, it still stands.

what still stands?

Epericus? Again no. It fails because God does not identify Himself as Omni-Max. All this supposed paradox does is point out that the doctrines of a self proclaiming omni-max God is wrong.

2. Actually does describe himself as all powerful
http://www.openbible.info/topics/omnipotence
Verese to back it up.

Uh, no. What you have is a list of verses that support the man made doctrine that God is indeed Omnipotent. Not that that doctrine is wrong mind you, but it does not meet the requirement that the supposed epericurean paradox requires inorder to properly work. In order for it to work God must claim to be All Knowing, Powerful, Loving etc... He doesn't claim this. He only ever identifies Himself as I already pointed out: I am/Alpha and Omega. No where in your barrage of verses does He claim to be Onmipotent, let alone Omni-max.

I can tell you for certain God's 'love' in the bible is very conditional. As in John 3:16 "For God so love the world that WHO SO EVER BELIEVES.." Which is a condition to eternal life and exposure to the love God offers..
which means again your paradox fails.

3. Your treatise on morality is basically special pleading. You see as there is no such thing as sin and the concept of sin itself is terrible because it has allowed all manner of evil to declare things like speaking out agianst them a sin and then easily have people punished for it.
So I would ask to define sin.

When or where did I do this?!?!?! I started out my 'treatise' by defining both sin and evil. In that Sin is Anything Not in the expressed will of God.

Evil being a strong malcious act or will to be outside of God's expressed Will.

i NEVER Denied the existance of sin.

Now in practice we have seen that the golden rule and moral utilitarianism have far superior to any god(man) given rule.

Hate to call you out sport (actually I enjoy it maybe too much) But according to Mt 7:12 "the Golden rule" is indeed a "God(man) given rule."

4. So your god is such a incompetent designer that what he made life that started to self destruct in the garden? Or were they injured, in that case why did he fail to make a safe enviroment?

What is 'safe?' Mindless atonomy? is that what you want for yourself? are you willing to trade freedom for 'safty?' are you French by chance?

God provided Adam along with everyone else to follow a Choice. (as repersented by the existance of the tree in the garden for Adam) Satan is allowed to simply 'sell' the options of not being in God's expressed will. the choice is yours if you wish to seek redemption/refund for your purchase.

5.Actually your wrong matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
more here
https://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell

Again the bible does indeed say the punishment is eternal, no dispute there. But in order for your claim to be valid you must also show that the soul in eternal Hell is also eternal. All we have is verse 41 “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.

Hell is eternal because it's primary residences are eternal. To say man will burn in Hell forever is speaking where the scriptures donot.

6. Well then why are we all are paying for adam's sin if we are not all descendant from him? Or did adam manage to produce children with every women on the planet when he was evicted from the garden?

The history of man Bottle necks with Noah. As per the Geneology of Christ. Noah was a direct decendant of Adam. that means everyman alive today is a decendant of adam.

[CapnAwesome]

If you are looking for 'proof' then petition God as He has instructed, and you will be blessed just like everyone else who has done this.

Just nitpicking a detail here but everyone else. Really? Everyone. Vagueness of the rest of the statement aside you can't possibly believe that everyone who has tried to petition God has had a blessed life.

I'm throwing out a guess that either those people 'weren't doing it right' or the blessing they receive is so meaningless as to be indistinguishable for not having said blessing.

[Lemonvariable72]

1. It does not matter who wrote it, it still stands.

what still stands?

Epericus? Again no. It fails because God does not identify Himself as Omni-Max. All this supposed paradox does is point out that the doctrines of a self proclaiming omni-max God is wrong.

2. Actually does describe himself as all powerful
http://www.openbible.info/topics/omnipotence
Verese to back it up.

Uh, no. What you have is a list of verses that support the man made doctrine that God is indeed Omnipotent. Not that that doctrine is wrong mind you, but it does not meet the requirement that the supposed epericurean paradox requires inorder to properly work. In order for it to work God must claim to be All Knowing, Powerful, Loving etc... He doesn't claim this. He only ever identifies Himself as I already pointed out: I am/Alpha and Omega. No where in your barrage of verses does He claim to be Onmipotent, let alone Omni-max.

I can tell you for certain God's 'love' in the bible is very conditional. As in John 3:16 "For God so love the world that WHO SO EVER BELIEVES.." Which is a condition to eternal life and exposure to the love God offers..
which means again your paradox fails.

3. Your treatise on morality is basically special pleading. You see as there is no such thing as sin and the concept of sin itself is terrible because it has allowed all manner of evil to declare things like speaking out agianst them a sin and then easily have people punished for it.
So I would ask to define sin.

When or where did I do this?!?!?! I started out my 'treatise' by defining both sin and evil. In that Sin is Anything Not in the expressed will of God.

Evil being a strong malcious act or will to be outside of God's expressed Will.

i NEVER Denied the existance of sin.

Now in practice we have seen that the golden rule and moral utilitarianism have far superior to any god(man) given rule.

Hate to call you out sport (actually I enjoy it maybe too much) But according to Mt 7:12 "the Golden rule" is indeed a "God(man) given rule."

4. So your god is such a incompetent designer that what he made life that started to self destruct in the garden? Or were they injured, in that case why did he fail to make a safe enviroment?

What is 'safe?' Mindless atonomy? is that what you want for yourself? are you willing to trade freedom for 'safty?' are you French by chance?

God provided Adam along with everyone else to follow a Choice. (as repersented by the existance of the tree in the garden for Adam) Satan is allowed to simply 'sell' the options of not being in God's expressed will. the choice is yours if you wish to seek redemption/refund for your purchase.

5.Actually your wrong matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
more here
https://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell

Again the bible does indeed say the punishment is eternal, no dispute there. But in order for your claim to be valid you must also show that the soul in eternal Hell is also eternal. All we have is verse 41 “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.

Hell is eternal because it's primary residences are eternal. To say man will burn in Hell forever is speaking where the scriptures donot.

6. Well then why are we all are paying for adam's sin if we are not all descendant from him? Or did adam manage to produce children with every women on the planet when he was evicted from the garden?

The history of man Bottle necks with Noah. As per the Geneology of Christ. Noah was a direct decendant of Adam. that means everyman alive today is a decendant of adam.

Wow drich thank you for demonstrating why atheism is the better position. You see in order to answer those questions you had to launch into very complex and sometime contradictory answers and even still you demonstrated that your god is immoral and has your own athropirmorphozed limitions. Mean while to a atheist the answers are simple, god is not real. Then comes occams razor. And occam was a christian too. And btw the golden rule was started with confucius who live around the 4th century bc
Ex.
In your answer to 5 you say that punishment is eternal but the soulbis not eternal in hell, that is contradictory wording.

[Bad Writer]

Even though you're probably right, LV, you should at least help Drich out by pointing out where his contradictions lie.