(July 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm)Esquilax Wrote: ... a knowing subject only ever has belief that he knows something. The level of certainty that the subject possesses about a given object does not affect whether or not that object truly exists. You can know something for absolute certain and still be dead wrong.Following your line of reasoning that which you just stated is merely a belief and no true knowledge is possible. Nihilist.
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Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.
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RE: Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.
July 14, 2014 at 6:17 pm
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(July 14, 2014 at 4:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(July 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm)Esquilax Wrote: ... a knowing subject only ever has belief that he knows something. The level of certainty that the subject possesses about a given object does not affect whether or not that object truly exists. You can know something for absolute certain and still be dead wrong.Following your line of reasoning that which you just stated is merely a belief and no true knowledge is possible. Nihilist. That's why standard philosophy dictionaries define "knowledge" as justified true belief. (July 14, 2014 at 4:57 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(July 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm)Esquilax Wrote: ... a knowing subject only ever has belief that he knows something. The level of certainty that the subject possesses about a given object does not affect whether or not that object truly exists. You can know something for absolute certain and still be dead wrong.Following your line of reasoning that which you just stated is merely a belief and no true knowledge is possible. Nihilist. All I'm saying is that a claim of knowledge doesn't entail actual knowledge: the claim denotes the claimant's level of certainty in his belief, not the actual truth of that belief. And if your definition of "true knowledge" is absolute certainty, then no, we can't have "true knowledge." We must always be accepting of the possibility that we're wrong, or that additional information might change our ideas. That's called "learning," not nihilism. This "you can't know anything for certain, which means you don't know anything," crap is the domain of the presuppositionalists, but we can have higher degrees of certainty for things for which we have evidence and data in support. But I don't think the idea that saying you know something doesn't mean it's actually true, is a controversial position.
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July 15, 2014 at 10:58 pm
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Dead serious, serious as dick cancer, you take issue? Lay it out.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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July 15, 2014 at 11:08 pm
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(July 15, 2014 at 10:57 pm)alexwenzel Wrote:(July 14, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The algorithm that handles netflix movie suggestions. Voila. How hard did you think that would be? What better example would you need than a computer that looks at the stuff you do, sees a pattern, and points you towards something that it thinks you may also want to do? Aside from just creating other members of our species.
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10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html (July 15, 2014 at 11:08 pm)Chad32 Wrote:(July 15, 2014 at 10:57 pm)alexwenzel Wrote: I hope you weren't serious Here is another algorithm for you to wrap your mind around: ODDS OF A SINGLE CELL: 1 in 10 to the 2,680th power, or 1 followed by 2,680 zeros. That is 30 times more particles believed to exist in the entire universe hock: Lot of mysterious lottery winnings RE: Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.
July 16, 2014 at 12:25 am
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-and yet there are oodles of them, just in the tip of the fingers that typed this message, none of which are mysterious (and sadly, not a damned one has ever won the lottery, fucking bastards). So much for the odds, eh? What is it, exactly, that you're trying to express here? -and haven't you already gotten enough shit for this in other threads? Masochist, perhaps?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(July 16, 2014 at 12:25 am)Rhythm Wrote: -and yet there are oodles of them, just in the tip of the fingers that typed this message, none of which are mysterious (and sadly, not a damned one has ever won the lottery, fucking bastards). So much for the odds, eh? What is it, exactly, that you're trying to express here? -and haven't you already gotten enough shit for this in other threads? Masochist, perhaps? It is mysterious to me how you don't see it. God "has hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." - Luke 10:21 "God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important." 1 Corinthians 1:27, 28 RE: Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.
July 16, 2014 at 1:30 am
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If god has a hard on for kids and morons, that's not my problem alex. Tell him to up his game. Which category do you fall under, if you had to guess? Should I find it mysterious that you do see "it"?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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