Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.

[Neo-Scholastic]

... a knowing subject only ever has belief that he knows something. The level of certainty that the subject possesses about a given object does not affect whether or not that object truly exists. You can know something for absolute certain and still be dead wrong.

Following your line of reasoning that which you just stated is merely a belief and no true knowledge is possible. Nihilist.

[pocaracas]

... a knowing subject only ever has belief that he knows something. The level of certainty that the subject possesses about a given object does not affect whether or not that object truly exists. You can know something for absolute certain and still be dead wrong.

Following your line of reasoning that which you just stated is merely a belief and no true knowledge is possible. Nihilist.

That's why standard philosophy dictionaries define "knowledge" as justified true belief.

[Esquilax]

... a knowing subject only ever has belief that he knows something. The level of certainty that the subject possesses about a given object does not affect whether or not that object truly exists. You can know something for absolute certain and still be dead wrong.

Following your line of reasoning that which you just stated is merely a belief and no true knowledge is possible. Nihilist.

All I'm saying is that a claim of knowledge doesn't entail actual knowledge: the claim denotes the claimant's level of certainty in his belief, not the actual truth of that belief.

And if your definition of "true knowledge" is absolute certainty, then no, we can't have "true knowledge." We must always be accepting of the possibility that we're wrong, or that additional information might change our ideas. That's called "learning," not nihilism. This "you can't know anything for certain, which means you don't know anything," crap is the domain of the presuppositionalists, but we can have higher degrees of certainty for things for which we have evidence and data in support.

But I don't think the idea that saying you know something doesn't mean it's actually true, is a controversial position.

[alexwenzel]

If you are all about science then give me proof that man has created something that understands us.

The algorithm that handles netflix movie suggestions. Voila. How hard did you think that would be?

I hope you weren't serious

[The Grand Nudger]

Dead serious, serious as dick cancer, you take issue? Lay it out.

[Chad32]

The algorithm that handles netflix movie suggestions. Voila. How hard did you think that would be?

I hope you weren't serious

What better example would you need than a computer that looks at the stuff you do, sees a pattern, and points you towards something that it thinks you may also want to do?

Aside from just creating other members of our species.

[alexwenzel]

I hope you weren't serious

What better example would you need than a computer that looks at the stuff you do, sees a pattern, and points you towards something that it thinks you may also want to do?

Aside from just creating other members of our species.

Here is another algorithm for you to wrap your mind around:

ODDS OF A SINGLE CELL:

1 in 10 to the 2,680th power, or 1 followed by 2,680 zeros.

That is 30 times more particles believed to exist in the entire universe hock:

Lot of mysterious lottery winnings

[The Grand Nudger]

-and yet there are oodles of them, just in the tip of the fingers that typed this message, none of which are mysterious (and sadly, not a damned one has ever won the lottery, fucking bastards). So much for the odds, eh? What is it, exactly, that you're trying to express here? -and haven't you already gotten enough shit for this in other threads? Masochist, perhaps?

[alexwenzel]

-and yet there are oodles of them, just in the tip of the fingers that typed this message, none of which are mysterious (and sadly, not a damned one has ever won the lottery, fucking bastards). So much for the odds, eh? What is it, exactly, that you're trying to express here? -and haven't you already gotten enough shit for this in other threads? Masochist, perhaps?

It is mysterious to me how you don't see it.

God "has hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." - Luke 10:21

"God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important." 1 Corinthians 1:27, 28

[The Grand Nudger]

If god has a hard on for kids and morons, that's not my problem alex. Tell him to up his game. Which category do you fall under, if you had to guess? Should I find it mysterious that you do see "it"?