Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?

[robvalue]

So is the reason the church don't apply properly for tax exemption that they'd have to submit their financial records?

[Thumpalumpacus]

So is the reason the church don't apply properly for tax exemption that they'd have to submit their financial records?

No, they're not required to do so, which makes the exemption even more grating.

[robvalue]

Why the fuck are they not required?

Excuse me...

Is there a good reason they are not required? They are 100% trustworthy, and not accountable?

Bollocks to that.

[Minimalist]

[FatAndFaithless]

Why the fuck are they not required?

Excuse me...

Is there a good reason they are not required? They are 100% trustworthy, and not accountable?

Bollocks to that.

That's the point I was referring to. We already have other tax-exempt organizations, and they have to undergo a documentation process to establish that they are in fact deserving of the tax-exempt status. Why not simply have churches follow the same procedure? It wouldn't put any sort of financial burden on them or impact the expression of their worship in any way.

Churches seem to want to have it both ways: they want the tax exempt status that other non-profits enjoy, but also don't think the rules that other non-profits follow should apply to them

[Minimalist]

That's the point I was referring to. We already have other tax-exempt organizations, and they have to undergo a documentation process to establish that they are in fact deserving of the tax-exempt status. Why not simply have churches follow the same procedure? It wouldn't put any sort of financial burden on them or impact the expression of their worship in any way.

Churches seem to want to have it both ways: they want the tax exempt status that other non-profits enjoy, but also don't think the rules that other non-profits follow should apply to them

Thanks to shitty politicians they are right. They have been exempted based on....based on I don't know what. They do nothing but support a class of parasites.

Time to start enforcing the law.

Some preacher/child-molesting motherfucker starts talking about something besides his godshit and what candidates support "god" and he should lose the exemption. And the fucking catholics should all be indicted under the RICO statutes.

[Nope]

[Godscreated]

@ Min, you are suggesting to intrude on our right to be separate from government snoopery.

GC

Why should a church not be held accountable?
Simply because they're a religious organization?
That's the definition of special pleading.
Churches are not sacred, holy, devine, or any other bs label you wanna hang on Them.
The Catholic church alone is a multi-billion dollar organization. Their corporate headquarters The Vatican, is a sovereign state. They're probably the most corrupt company on Earth, and you think we should give them special privileges and tax breaks?

We can't tax the Vatican, it's recognized by the world as a sovereign state, as you said.
Like I said earlier tax the church and then watch us gain access to schools and courts and all other government that we see fit to. You can't have your cake and it it too.

GC

[Jenny A]

Why should a church not be held accountable?
Simply because they're a religious organization?
That's the definition of special pleading.
Churches are not sacred, holy, devine, or any other bs label you wanna hang on Them.
The Catholic church alone is a multi-billion dollar organization. Their corporate headquarters The Vatican, is a sovereign state. They're probably the most corrupt company on Earth, and you think we should give them special privileges and tax breaks?

We can't tax the Vatican, it's recognized by the world as a sovereign state, as you said.
Like I said earlier tax the church and then watch us gain access to schools and courts and all other government that we see fit to. You can't have your cake and it it too.

GC

I don't see that you'd do anything you don't do already. And that's the point. At least we'd tax the dollars once before the headed to the
Vatican.

[Godscreated]

It's a business. Just because it includes a made-up element, that shouldn't give it special rights. Any company could make a claim that they are "helping people" in some way and so should be tax exempt.

I agree, any purely charitable section should be exempt. But you cannot make that claim of the whole thing, no way.

Would you want a firm of lawyers who believe in gnomes to get tax breaks? The gnomes make their clients happier.

It's worse than a business, it's a con. It's providing partially fictional services.

You're the one making the claim now a little proof please.
Lawyers sale a product, the church sales nothing and many small churches are in the red by the end of each year. Tax the big ones and the small ones can apply for subsidies. you'e trying to deny the separation of church and state. You do not want us in the public schools and ect. but you want our money, can't have it both ways.