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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 9:04 pm
It's a small wonder why some places ban religion altogether.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 9:23 pm
(December 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (December 10, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: We can't tax the Vatican, it's recognized by the world as a sovereign state, as you said.
Like I said earlier tax the church and then watch us gain access to schools and courts and all other government that we see fit to. You can't have your cake and it it too.
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I don't see that you'd do anything you don't do already. And that's the point. At least we'd tax the dollars once before the headed to the
Vatican.
In my opinion nobody should get a deduction for charitable giving. Be it to Doctors Without Boarders or the LDS.
The tax code should be simple. You earn this much, you pay this much in tax.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 9:39 pm
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You mean like it was when it started, Woodie?
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I agree. Too much social engineering and bullshit thrown into the code.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 10:06 pm
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(December 10, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Heywood Wrote: (December 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Jenny A Wrote: I don't see that you'd do anything you don't do already. And that's the point. At least we'd tax the dollars once before the headed to the
Vatican.
In my opinion nobody should get a deduction for charitable giving. Be it to Doctors Without Boarders or the LDS.
The tax code should be simple. You earn this much, you pay this much in tax.
I agree in particular for wage earners. I don't think social engineering via deduction is a good idea still less very "special" tax deductions meant to fit a single lobbying tax payer. However, having spent more time than I care to admit pouring over the tax code, I'm here to tell you that much of the complexity is no more than a feeble attempt to keep up with human ingenuity at disguising income and inflating expenses. Corporate business forms aid the ability to disguise income. Calculating how much money a business makes is never going to be easy or simple, unless the owner is very simple and wants very much to pay exactly as much as they owe. Unfortunately few tax payers fit that description.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 10:47 pm
Quote:I agree in particular for wage earners.
Over 40% of the population qualifies to file one of the short forms 1040A or 1040EZ. I imagine that number will grow as the middle class vanishes.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 11:15 pm
A deduction from one man's taxes is a rise in the others'.
Anything that does not benefit the common good should not be deductible. IMO
Therefore churches should be taxed and taxed heavily with a "sin" tax, like cigarettes.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 11:19 pm
(December 10, 2014 at 9:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's a small wonder why some places ban religion altogether.
not really but its good thing to do and a place to go where you want to be free of religiosity.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 10, 2014 at 11:56 pm
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(December 10, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (December 10, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote:
As if you're not trying, and in some cases succeeding, already?
Why, then, are you complaining about this discussion?
Believe me, if you try to stuff your church into my son's schools, you'll see what the fuck a loudmouth can do. Dipshit.
Tax the church we'll been in his school soon after.
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(December 10, 2014 at 7:17 pm)Beccs Wrote: (December 10, 2014 at 7:12 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The absolute misunderstanding of anything remotely close yo the first amendment is strong with this one.
Are you really surprised?
Anyone who is so brainwashed as to deny fundamental science is also going to believe the bullshit claims of their leaders that the constitution is based on the bible and separation of church and state is to protect the church from the government and not to keep the church out of government.
That's why we are not taxed stupid.
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(December 10, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (December 10, 2014 at 7:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: We, the church in this country are not persecuted and you will not see me saying so until and if it actually happens. I know there's a few to go through but, you should check out all my post, you will see I've always said we are not persecuted in this country. If you do not do so, then get off your whiny horse and stop being a cry baby, act like a man, that is if it's still in you.
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No, you were whining. Don't start lying now.
What's that? This isn't your first lie?
Okay.
What lie whimpy, you've proved nothing other than you can run your jaw, with nothing but prejudice for anyone who's a Christian.
(December 10, 2014 at 8:59 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: It's a shame stupidity cannot be outlawed.
You would be the first one jailed.
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(December 10, 2014 at 11:19 pm)dyresand Wrote: (December 10, 2014 at 9:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's a small wonder why some places ban religion altogether.
not really but its good thing to do and a place to go where you want to be free of religiosity.
Find one and go.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 11, 2014 at 12:57 am
(December 10, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (December 10, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:
No it's not violating their right to free speech. When someone says happy holidays, it includes christmas as much as every other winter solstice holiday. You can still pray in schools, because prayer to Yahweh doesn't need to be spoken.
It's most certainly a violation, to sensor any word according to the courts is illegal and that's exactly what they were doing. Notice I said were doing, they change their mind when Christians stood up to them.
If we're taxed then prayer will become public, you still want it to be private, unspoken. We openly pay taxes then we openly prayer, out loud and teacher lead if they so desire.
Quote:I don't want it involved in government. That's supposed to be why it's tax free. Separation of church and state.
Then why don't you drop the argument, we don't pay and we'll not be able to get involved.
Quote: However it has somehow gotten so involved with state matters, I don't see why it shouldn't be taxed. So it might not be able to give as much to charity, and the government could give more if it was run correctly.
How are we involved in government, other than to express our opinion just as any other tax paying citizens get to do. You really think the government is going to give up some of it's play pretty privileges to help those the church helps.
Quote:So you might not have a dozen or more churches in a small town. so what?
I don't even live in a town and can drive to a dozen small churches in 20 minutes. A big city isn't far away, and I would bet there are nearly 100 small churches.
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Doesn't matter if you think we do or don't need them, they will be there if we're taxed. No they are not, that's just ridiculous.
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RE: Should Churches Remain Tax-Exempt?
December 11, 2014 at 1:17 am
Quote:they will be there if we're taxed.
I don't think you quite grasp the impact of Sec. 501 c 3, G-C. Revocation of that status, and it should be revoked because of the political posturing that preachers do, would mean that donations to the church would not be deductible for the donor.
In such a case I would expect the donation pool to dry up faster than a puddle in the Sahara at noon.
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