I was having lunch with an Atheist today...

[robvalue]

Quickest way to defeat the moral argument is to ask him why he doesn't follow his own moral guidelines and stone people to death for working on a Sunday and so forth. Or why the Ten Commandments don't even mention theft, slavery, murder or rape.

So called objective morality isn't morality at all, it's amoral, just following rules. But by not following it completely, your friend is making their own moral judgements about each of these rules. They do the ones they think are moral, and ignore the ones they think are not (or pretend the bible doesn't say it). So all they are doing is using their own morality, and using the bible as justification when it's convenient.

Of course, your friend may know better than God what is moral, and knows what corrections he is planning to make to the book but hasn't got around to.

[Alex K]

"works without faith is dead"? That's in the same category as "swiss cheese for alternating current extols virtues". But seriously, this person has been damaged by religion and has either become unable to think coherently on the matter, or more optimistically is repeating this nonsense like a mantra, using it as a shield out of fear of losing faith.

[Mystic]

Is works without faith being dead a Catholic doctrine?

[DeadChannel]

Okay, so I've had a good rough day regarding atheism, and how it makes me an awful person, and this made my day. Thank you religious inadvertent good samaritan.

[Mystic]

Okay, so I've had a good rough day regarding atheism, and how it makes me an awful person, and this made my day. Thank you religious inadvertent good samaritan.

You welcome. Glad it made you feel better.

[Kitty Galore]

The most important people in my life are theists of one stripe or another. How could I hate them?

It's interesting you're saying that, since I don't even know if the most important people in my life are theists or atheists. Religion is such a non issue in my parts that hardly anyone talks about it.

In my part of the world atheists know who theists are the same way we know who vegans are...

How do you know someone is a vegan? They will tell you.

(Not all, but most)

[Alex K]

Is works without faith being dead a Catholic doctrine?

No, it sounds like a silly malapropism of the statement that "Faith without works is dead" from the epistles - which makes more sense.

[robvalue]

It's interesting you're saying that, since I don't even know if the most important people in my life are theists or atheists. Religion is such a non issue in my parts that hardly anyone talks about it.

In my part of the world atheists know who theists are the same way we know who vegans are...

How do you know someone is a vegan? They will tell you.

(Not all, but most)

Ah... Well...

Never mind

[h4ym4n]

And we discussed religion a bit. She said no one believes in religion because it makes senses to them, how can religion make sense to them. And said how we believe because we want to feel someone is out there watching over us. I didn't really argue but I realized something. I had no ill feeling towards her for not believing in God, for her views on why I believe in God or why people believe in religion...I actually value her honesty to herself and where it has lead her.

And I realized there, I have no ill feeling toward Atheists for being Atheists or towards Atheism. I think she is a great person and would not think more of her if she believed in God.

Just a good day, a good lunch. I love people.

It's like hating gays so much you want them dead because your god hates gays and wants them dead. Then you find out someone close to you that you really and truly love is gay.

Makes you think how it will be when your in heaven and that gay loved one is being tortured.

Choose love over your god.


The world would be a better place.

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