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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 2:51 am
So let's see, his argument is...
There was nothing. Nothing makes nothing. So there can't have been nothing.
This appears to be just a rebuttal of his own premise.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 2:52 am
(February 22, 2015 at 2:49 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Anyone gonna answer this? Wiggy?
(February 21, 2015 at 9:13 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Not so simple; now you have to answer the question: where did that creator come from?
"God is the thing which does the thing that I've asserted without evidence is impossible in a universe which disagrees with me on the question of god."
Just thought I'd boil down any potential theist responses for ya. 
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 8:57 am
Yep. Special exemption for the prime mover. God was always there, which means it literally took him forever to create the universe.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm
(February 22, 2015 at 8:57 am)Tonus Wrote: Yep. Special exemption for the prime mover. God was always there, which means it literally took him forever to create the universe.
Yeah, he floated around in a timeless eternity until suddenly, he just decides that it's boring, so poof, reality. But here's the problem: if god is eternal then there would have been an eternity of time for him to begin creating the universe, therefore he never could have reached the time that it happened! /theist
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 8:29 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: In the beginning there was nothing.
0+0=0
Therefore there must be an eternal creator outside of time and space. Simple really.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 8:44 pm
(February 22, 2015 at 8:29 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: In the beginning there was nothing.
0+0=0
Therefore there must be an eternal creator outside of time and space. Simple really.
Ya gotta have nothing, if you wanna be with me. +0 to that!
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 11:05 pm
(February 22, 2015 at 8:29 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: In the beginning there was nothing.
0+0=0
Therefore there must be an eternal creator outside of time and space. Simple really.
Ya gotta have nothing, if you wanna be with me.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 23, 2015 at 8:15 am
(February 21, 2015 at 9:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (February 21, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Wiggy Wrote: Thats a big statement because all of those who wrote the new testament were killed for their testimony. No one dies for a fabricated lie
So, every islamic terrorist ever died for a real Allah? Come on, man. 
The difference is that Islamic terrorists think they are dying for the truth. The authors who wrote the new testament died for their eyewitness testimony. What I was trying to say is that no one dies for a lie if they know its a lie. This is strong evidence for the bible and fulfilled prophecies by Jesus from the old testament. You can twist your testicles into a pretzel to explain this away.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 23, 2015 at 8:23 am
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(February 23, 2015 at 8:15 am)Wiggy Wrote: The difference is that Islamic terrorists think they are dying for the truth. The authors who wrote the new testament died for their eyewitness testimony.
Who exactly do you think died for their eyewitness testimony??!
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 23, 2015 at 8:39 am
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Special pleading, again.
There are no eyewitness accounts.
And people can and do die for a lie they know is a lie. It's an invalid argument.
Plus, even if they died for something they believed, that doesn't mean what they believed was true. People didn't have some magic power back then where belief = truth.
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