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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:03 pm
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(February 22, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Nope Wrote: Huggy, I am an atheist so I don't believe in the bible. . Could you provide some nonbiblical proof about the number three's perfection using nature?
I gave a couple of examples.
Water = Solid/Liquid/Gas
Time = Past/Present/Future
Dimensions = Height/Width/Depth
(February 22, 2015 at 4:02 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: (February 22, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: What sin have they committed? none, that isn't the problem though, eventually they will sin. Does a child have to be taught to lie? Once a child is able to fully understand right and wrong is when they are old enough to be baptized.
But they are baptised as children, because if they weren't, they wouldn't be religious in the first place. Religion comes from indoctrination.
(February 22, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: When you ask someone what their "beliefs" are and they answer you, that exactly what it is, an answer.
So the statements you've made are not claims? Do I really have to include a dictionary definition?
claim
noun
: a statement saying that something happened a certain way or will happen a certain way
: a statement saying that something is true when some people may say it is not true
: an official request for something (such as money) that is owed to you or that you believe is owed to you
: a right to have something
From Merriam-Webster. very good, now look up the word "belief".
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:08 pm
(February 22, 2015 at 4:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: very good, now look up the word "belief".
Sigh.
belief
noun be·lief \bə-ˈlēf\
: a feeling of being sure that someone or something exists or that something is true
: a feeling that something is good, right, or valuable
: a feeling of trust in the worth or ability of someone
claim
noun
: a statement saying that something happened a certain way or will happen a certain way
: a statement saying that something is true when some people may say it is not true
: an official request for something (such as money) that is owed to you or that you believe is owed to you
: a right to have something
Can I say your beliefs are false? Yes.
Are your beliefs therefore claims? Yes.
Are the statements you've made your beliefs? Yes, or at least you say so.
Are the statements you've made claims? Yes.
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:11 pm
All children will sin.
Jesus was a child.
Jesus sinned.
God sinned.
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:31 pm
(February 22, 2015 at 4:11 pm)robvalue Wrote: All children will sin.
Jesus was a child.
Jesus sinned.
God sinned.
I guess you forgot he was born under different conditions than were, therefore didn't fall under the same curse.
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:33 pm
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(February 22, 2015 at 4:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 22, 2015 at 4:11 pm)robvalue Wrote: All children will sin.
Jesus was a child.
Jesus sinned.
God sinned.
I guess you forgot he was born under different conditions than were, therefore didn't fall under the same curse. You mean he wasn't fully man? Only partially?
A curse? Who created that?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:38 pm
Brakeman, a long time ago Lucifer, (who was resplendent in beauty,covered with jewels and the music minister of Heaven) decided he was going to boot God off the throne and take over.
As Lucifer, he had never seen the severe side of God.
He made an irrevocable mutiny.
The only way for this monster to get back at God for expelling him, is to attack the thing closest and most dear to God-
creation and the pinnacle of that is you.
But God has been allowing him to continue on, because he is man's test.
Apparently God has a particular number of people to pass thru the turnstiles of life before He ends this age and begins the Millennium age of 1000 years without the devil.
At the end of that span of time, it says, the devil MUST be loosed from the pit (where he is to be stashed for that thousand years) -
for the purpose of testing those living in that awesome time (the Restoration of Al Things).
We are at the end of 6000 years from Adam- the coming sabbath "rest" of one thousand years will complete a "Week" of Millenniums and the realm of eternity will begin on a new earth.
I was asked about some proof of what have relayed here.
I realize youall reject supernatural / spiritual stuf, so the following is for anyone else who may be listening:
Satanists seem to only rail against Jesus Christ.
People involved in UFO abductions report in their encounters that the UFO entities rail and blaspheme ONLY Jesus Christ.
These entities are demons posing as aliens.
Their evil purpose is twofold- to give a naturalistic (aliens from space) explanation of the Catching Away (Rapture), and to strengthen the position of the antichrist as he becomes more powerful after the Rapture.
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 5:57 am)Norman Humann Wrote: This has probably already been done to death, but I don't care.
I have a question for all of you Christians out there. How the fuck do you sleep at night? with both eyes closed. I assume most people sleep this way.
Quote:You're subscribing to a religion which bases its survival on people's weaknesses and exploits them. Does that bother you at all, or do you refuse to acknowledge it?
Ah I see the problem. ISIS is spelled I-S-I-S. Not a spelling error I would make but who am I to judge.
Quote:The very idea that you need to baptised before you're a human being is disgusting.
where does the bible say that?
Quote:We're god's perfect creation,
Lol, where does the bible say that?
Quote:but we're born sick?
I was born with a kidney disorder, but I am told most are born healthy if their mothers get prenatal care.
Quote:God is merciful and forgiving, but won't let you into his VIP club in the afterlife if you don't get water poured over your head?
Again where does the bible describe this process?
Quote:The idea of confession isn't any better. Because the priests are obviously such better people than you, they will listen to all your human little misdeeds and oh so mercifully forgive you. It's sickening.
again where does the bible say we have to confess to priests?
Quote:Religion also enforces the idea of thought crime. That's nothing more but a neat little trick to make people feel even more guilty for something they can't control. Your very thoughts are sinful. It does make a lot of sense, though: if you punish people for thinking, they might stop doing it, eventually.
The question that bugs me is, do all those priests, pastors and bishops really believe the bullshit they're preaching or did they just get a neat deal of deceiving the gullible and making money off of it?
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 thought crime, simply shows one that they need atonement. Once you have it "thought crime" is it an issue
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:49 pm
Woah, that's some Orwellian shit.
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:57 pm
(February 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: Quote:The very idea that you need to baptised before you're a human being is disgusting.
where does the bible say that?
Quote:We're god's perfect creation,
Lol, where does the bible say that?
Quote:God is merciful and forgiving, but won't let you into his VIP club in the afterlife if you don't get water poured over your head?
Again where does the bible describe this process?
Quote:The idea of confession isn't any better. Because the priests are obviously such better people than you, they will listen to all your human little misdeeds and oh so mercifully forgive you. It's sickening.
again where does the bible say we have to confess to priests?
Where did I say that it does? Organised religion doesn't always follow the bible. It is preached by the catholic church, at least that you can't go to heaven if you're not baptised. Confession is also necessary to be a catholic.
I've heard over and over from church representatives and believers alike that we are god's perfect creation and that we're born in sin.
(February 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: thought crime, simply shows one that they need atonement. Once you have it "thought crime" is it an issue
Can you rephrase? I really have no idea what you're trying to say.
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RE: Christians: how do you sleep at night?
February 22, 2015 at 4:57 pm
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(February 22, 2015 at 4:49 pm)DeadChannel Wrote: Woah, that's some Orwellian shit.
So is facebook and Twitter, but we can't wait to hand over all our personal info to big brother
(February 22, 2015 at 4:57 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: (February 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: where does the bible say that?
Lol, where does the bible say that?
Again where does the bible describe this process?
again where does the bible say we have to confess to priests?
Where did I say that it does? Organised religion doesn't always follow the bible. It is preached by the catholic church, at least that you can't go to heaven if you're not baptised. Confession is also necessary to be a catholic.
I've heard over and over from church representatives and believers alike that we are god's perfect creation and that we're born in sin.
(February 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: thought crime, simply shows one that they need atonement. Once you have it "thought crime" is it an issue
Can you rephrase? I really have no idea what you're trying to say.
If 'religion' doesn't follow what the bible says, then is the God of the bible who commands us through the bible obligated to follow the precepts in a given religion?
Rather is he obligated by what non biblically relevant priests/leadership says concerning who goes to heaven?
Or does God retain full authority despite what a given religion says and follow through with what he has told us in scripture?
Thought crime rephrase:
In mat 5 (where Jesus identifies thought crimes) he only does so to show the futility of trying to follow religious law. He is making it impossible to be found righteous according to the law. Which show point a good Jew to the second part of the law. Atonement. Once you have atonement for sin 'thought crime' becomes a non issue.
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